PT vs JV?

[garyshell]

Laughable, as usual.

Gary

[Jag_Warrior]

Personally I would much prefer to see PT in an Indycar over JV, and I think PT has much more desire left than JV, however I think both need to face reality and bow out of the full time open wheel cockpit gracefully. JV is starting to remind me of Verstappen to be honest. I fully believe most of the rumors about JV in a race seat are simply to make the seat more attractive to ride buyers than an honest desire to put a washed up former champion in the car. If Schummi did so poorly, Villeneuve wouldn't have a prayer. Does anyone REALLY want him in the cockpit after this long? Granted JV has Indycar and F1 championships to back his arrogance, but he's way better in his mind at this point than in reality. I don't think anyone really HATES PT anymore. He's sort of become a Darryl Waltrip in Indycars. A guy many truly disliked, but somehow become the old veteran people root for and end up liking because of his brashness. I just can't see PT owning a team he didn't drive for. To me, JV is simply a driver of the 1990's. LOONG past his shelf life.

IMHO, it's time for both to take up racing Sports Cars and maybe one off Indy 500 rides. I do think both would still be legimate contenders in a top ride at INDY.

^^^ This... pretty much from beginning to end.

[markabilly]

A number of years ago, there was a discovery show about "muscle memory", where the body is reacting to a command from the brain that says go, but the brain is not exactly directing the details of the act.....

they convinced an extremely relunctant Dan Fouts to put on a blind fold, and throw passes to one of his better receivers, using a different route each time, some deep, some short. All that was done, was to shout hut, and then he would throw the ball on timing and "feel"

The result was almost completely perfect passes.....at times even better than when he did not have the blindfold on.
They used some other examples, such as hitting fast balls....and so on.

Another example was simply walking and running......people who have been off their feet for a lenghty period of time, have problems walking and running, until they get "their legs back"


The theory was that over the years and constant use, muscles (or more accurately the nerves controlling the muscles) develope a certain memory, such that it acts without being any concious thinking by the brain on the details.

I suspicion that over the years, reactions begin to fade, but worse, in the absence of constant use, the off-time causes the "muscle memory" to fade. Add in the age factor on re-learning that which was natural, and Rubens due to the absence of a lay-off, might well be now the better driver than Schue

[MAX_THRUST]

Both would be good top names to have in the series.

would prefer to see PT back in the series over JV.

What worries me they would end up being like Little Al Unser. Pt deserves a ride in Indy Car, don't think JV could cope with the competion of drivers in equal equip, he'd have no excuse when he got beat.

[Scotty G.]

Laughable, as usual.

And truthful, as usual.

[TURN3]

And truthful, as usual.

In what manner? Maybe in your own mind. But what happens in your mind is rarely agreeable be even a slight minority. Your "ideas" are generally pretty stupid. The only thing that the rest of us aren't laughing at in your post is the fact they are in fact both past their primes. That much is "truthful".

None of us can speak for JV's recent OW performance obviously but PT has been part-time with some below average teams the past few years and generally has shown pretty well while competing for top 5's and even going for a W in Toronto. So how you or anybody else can suggest he's incapable or whatever at this point in his career shows ignorance on your part, as usual.

A couple other points you stuff your foot in your mouth on, again:

First, PT's 500 performance. I'm not sure off hand how many he's been in, 5 or 6 maybe? A 2nd place with controversy suggesting it should have been a W obviously is the glowing result in those races, last year's qualifying debacle clearly the low. He ran a pretty good race in '09 considering the hole in the tub from Kanaan's accident, up to 3rd was it even with the damage? So if that is the criteria that you judge him by, your boyfriend Sammy doesn't exactly have much more to hang his hat on. Because like you said, aside from that 1 time he pulled the W out of his ass. Are you aware of his record there otherwise? Until his W, his results rival Graham Rahal with several crashes and very few finishes.

Second, to say a guy with 31 career W's was "never as good as people thought he was" only increases the evidence of your ignorance. The vast majority of those wins came when getting wins meant something more than beating your teammate. Emmo, Nigel, Mario, Al, Michael, Zanardi, Montoya, Franchitti, DaMatta, DeFerran, etc....those are the guys he won most of those against. Yeah, you've got a point, he was never really that good.

Scotty there isn't anything wrong with having an opinion but with your credibility, don't you think maybe just shutting up would be in your best interest?

[garyshell]

And truthful, as usual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWSx0bBiNIs

Just sayin' ...

Gary

[Mark in Oshawa]

In what manner? Maybe in your own mind. But what happens in your mind is rarely agreeable be even a slight minority. Your "ideas" are generally pretty stupid. The only thing that the rest of us aren't laughing at in your post is the fact they are in fact both past their primes. That much is "truthful".

None of us can speak for JV's recent OW performance obviously but PT has been part-time with some below average teams the past few years and generally has shown pretty well while competing for top 5's and even going for a W in Toronto. So how you or anybody else can suggest he's incapable or whatever at this point in his career shows ignorance on your part, as usual.

A couple other points you stuff your foot in your mouth on, again:

First, PT's 500 performance. I'm not sure off hand how many he's been in, 5 or 6 maybe? A 2nd place with controversy suggesting it should have been a W obviously is the glowing result in those races, last year's qualifying debacle clearly the low. He ran a pretty good race in '09 considering the hole in the tub from Kanaan's accident, up to 3rd was it even with the damage? So if that is the criteria that you judge him by, your boyfriend Sammy doesn't exactly have much more to hang his hat on. Because like you said, aside from that 1 time he pulled the W out of his ass. Are you aware of his record there otherwise? Until his W, his results rival Graham Rahal with several crashes and very few finishes.

Second, to say a guy with 31 career W's was "never as good as people thought he was" only increases the evidence of your ignorance. The vast majority of those wins came when getting wins meant something more than beating your teammate. Emmo, Nigel, Mario, Al, Michael, Zanardi, Montoya, Franchitti, DaMatta, DeFerran, etc....those are the guys he won most of those against. Yeah, you've got a point, he was never really that good.

Scotty there isn't anything wrong with having an opinion but with your credibility, don't you think maybe just shutting up would be in your best interest?

Thanks, saves me typing out how PT has more of a record than half the no hopers Scotty figures should have rides based on their passports...

PT may not have much left, but what he has he is willing to put it out there...he isn't driving scared...

AS for JV, who really knows? Last time he was in a competitive ride in an OW car was the year he won the championship......

[Spiderman]

With JV not wanting to drive IndyCars anymore, there is no other choice than Tracy...

[F1boat]

Personally I would much prefer to see PT in an Indycar over JV, and I think PT has much more desire left than JV, however I think both need to face reality and bow out of the full time open wheel cockpit gracefully. JV is starting to remind me of Verstappen to be honest. I fully believe most of the rumors about JV in a race seat are simply to make the seat more attractive to ride buyers than an honest desire to put a washed up former champion in the car. If Schummi did so poorly, Villeneuve wouldn't have a prayer. Does anyone REALLY want him in the cockpit after this long? Granted JV has Indycar and F1 championships to back his arrogance, but he's way better in his mind at this point than in reality. I don't think anyone really HATES PT anymore. He's sort of become a Darryl Waltrip in Indycars. A guy many truly disliked, but somehow become the old veteran people root for and end up liking because of his brashness. I just can't see PT owning a team he didn't drive for. To me, JV is simply a driver of the 1990's. LOONG past his shelf life.

IMHO, it's time for both to take up racing Sports Cars and maybe one off Indy 500 rides. I do think both would still be legimate contenders in a top ride at INDY.

I agree.