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11th December 2010, 10:44 #21
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Originally Posted by Cooper_S
I guess if something like what you described happens than the driver will have to take his team to court and the team and the sport will lose face big time.
What pile of crap the FIA are producing right now, it's incredible.Michael Schumacher The Best Ever F1 Driver
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11th December 2010, 17:29 #22
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Originally Posted by ioan
Any driver who is known to go against his team or make known what is private information can kiss their career good-bye. Just ask how Piquet jr. is doing looking for sponsors for a ride buy in the NASCAR truck series.
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11th December 2010, 18:43 #23
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Team Orders
So now when a driver signs for a team,he will understand that he is signing as a number2 driver,and his only CHANCE of winning is if the teams NUMBER1 driver,has retired,or has mechanical problems,that move him out of contention.
Or are we saying that half way through the season,the teams driver leading on points will be the "favoured driver",so in effect the driver on lower points will be expected to accept the role as back up driver ?
Because Vettel was rarely ahead of Webber,throughout the last season,and how many predicted that he would be 2010 world champion?
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11th December 2010, 19:19 #24
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Don't worry for Piquet he's got enough money to buy a seat if he wants it, and now with Renault paying him and his father an undisclosed amount they are even richer.
I prefer a Piquet who exposed his team for the cheats they were to an Alonso cheater who blackmails his team for no. 1 status.Michael Schumacher The Best Ever F1 Driver
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12th December 2010, 11:48 #25
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Originally Posted by ioan
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12th December 2010, 12:02 #26
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Originally Posted by euMichael Schumacher The Best Ever F1 Driver
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12th December 2010, 13:21 #27
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Who would have thought it?
Originally Posted by S.Domenicali
Fair for whom?!Michael Schumacher The Best Ever F1 Driver
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12th December 2010, 14:35 #28
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Fair for all , Ioan , my friend .
We've always had team orders , and the hypocricy to which he refers is all about the veiling , not about whether or not they are used .
At some point every team puts more in one driver's basket than the other .
This might occur over the course of the race , or the course of the season .
Some say that it should be an advantage given only after one of the two is mathematically out of the competition .
And , from the general public's view , it seems the only fair way to compete .
But , in the real world , it is hard to find two people with the same skills , able to work together , and compete as well .
We saw this year , teams adopting various different methods of managing drivers .
There was outrage over Ferrari favouring Fernando , and there was outrage at Red Bull favouring Vettel .
Neither team emerged unscathed under public scutiny , but , because the Bull railed against the very idea for the rest of the year , they came up rosier at the end .
This is despite the fact that it was one driver's obvious fear that a team so against team orders would relegate him to a number two position that drove him to keep the serious secret of a broken bone from his team .
My opinion , as an employer , is that you really have to be inside the situation before you can understand why they choose who they choose to lead the team .
The one who cleans the toilet must be lead to understand that it is essential to the business that the loo be clean and perfectly operational for the restaurant to operate .
It used to be an honourable position to be a number two .
The shoe tried to show that in Austria , by pushing Rubens to the top step , and , ironically , the FIA punished them for exactly that , not for making Rubens pull over for Michael , which was what the public hated .
You see , there are , and always have been team orders in F1 .
With them allowed officially , we are still afforded the luxury of being able to criticize when and if they are used , so I don't really get why folks would get upset about them being legal .
Teams will still face the fan scrutiny , and that also is a lot more "real world" , as they vote with dollars , and sponsors see this .
It does nobody any good to have the FIA in court deciding whether the term "purple monkey toaster orange" is a team order or not .
Let the public decide on that one .
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12th December 2010, 14:52 #29
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Originally Posted by Cooper_S
I still say if a team is required to field 2 or more cars in any one event then the finishing order of those cars is the team's business. If a driver doesn't want to sign as a support or #2 driver, then don't. Go do something else for a living.If legislation makes you equal, you aren't.
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12th December 2010, 15:36 #30
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Very good decision by the FIA. Team orders always existed and as Stefano said, this is just the end of the hipocrisy. And about people talking how this will affect the championship, well, it is too early guys. Next year the battle can be (at least in theory) between McLaren and Mercedes GP and not between Ferrari and RBR.
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