The Falklands Islands

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So what?!

Question to myself: when will common sense finally rule this stupid world?!

When you are elected "supreme overlord"

[ioan]

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When you are elected "supreme overlord"

Then there is still a chance!

[glauistean]

So what?!
Are they a majority? Didn't they have the same democratic, if you know what I mean, right to self determination when like all the other inhabitants?

As it stands ownership is being contested. It as a matter of fact is a territory.
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And since when did indigenous populations claim the rights to Falkland Islands and not the Spanish speaking colonist descendants?!

I'm loathe to say this, but, as a seemingly bright individual you are asking about legal claims from indigenous peoples that were living hundreds of years ago. The point is that it has been refuted that the Europeans landed their first. Hence the necessity to indicate that fact.
You are making unfounded claims based on dreamed up crap that does not hold any weight if the population itself decided in a democratic way, you know 50% +1 resut of a referendum, that they do not want to be part of Argentina!I have stated noting that is unfounded nor have I stated anything that is "crap". You are better than to allow yourself to fall into the crass world of the illiterate. I want you to name the facts that are incorrect in your opinion.

Did you find a way to turn back time? I guess not, so what exactly do you want to do, force British people to live in Argentina?!

Question to myself: when will common sense finally rule this stupid world?!

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Quite right you should question yourself. You are not on the pinnacle of intellectual discourse about this topic by refuting claims as crap with nothing to base it on. You mention elections?
They mean nothing since the Malvina's/Falklands are but a territory. Like The Isle of Man, The Jersey Islands, Guernsey included. Only that they form their own government.

My question to you ioan is , and if you have read what I posted and if you know anything about the Malvina's/Falklands is the fact you mention common sense. What do you find logical as you express it in your last piece of your diatribe where common sense will prevail in this world or "stupid world"? Well it's made up of stupid people since people make up the world as we know it. So for intelligence sake, is it logical to argue that a country hold dominion over islands 8,000 miles away over a country that is 200 miles approximately from their course. People that are educated and first world.

iona, you have heard of Diego Garcia? Well, it is inhabited bythe USAF. Why? Strategic for launching attacks. What about the people that lived there? Kicked off and never allowed to return because they would englander national security. "Your type of same world? Or as long as I'm not affected" ? So, the west takes away the land of people who have lived there since time immemorial and they can justify it like they did the Bikini Island by blowing them to kingdom come all for the sake of what and at the expense of whom.

[BDunnell]

Quite right you should question yourself. You are not on the pinnacle of intellectual discourse about this topic by refuting claims as crap with nothing to base it on. You mention elections?
They mean nothing since the Malvina's/Falklands are but a territory. Like The Isle of Man, The Jersey Islands, Guernsey included. Only that they form their own government.

My question to you ioan is , and if you have read what I posted and if you know anything about the Malvina's/Falklands is the fact you mention common sense. What do you find logical as you express it in your last piece of your diatribe where common sense will prevail in this world or "stupid world"? Well it's made up of stupid people since people make up the world as we know it. So for intelligence sake, is it logical to argue that a country hold dominion over islands 8,000 miles away over a country that is 200 miles approximately from their course. People that are educated and first world.

iona, you have heard of Diego Garcia? Well, it is inhabited bythe USAF. Why? Strategic for launching attacks. What about the people that lived there? Kicked off and never allowed to return because they would englander national security. "Your type of same world? Or as long as I'm not affected" ? So, the west takes away the land of people who have lived there since time immemorial and they can justify it like they did the Bikini Island by blowing them to kingdom come all for the sake of what and at the expense of whom.

It is, if I may say so, very simplistic to assume that ioan or indeed any of the rest of us who believe the Argentine claim on the Falklands to be nonsensical therefore believe what happened to the people of Diego Garcia to somehow be acceptable. I certainly don't. I think it was an appalling act. Turning this into some kind of 'the West against the rest' argument is utterly meaningless.

[Rollo]

So for intelligence sake, is it logical to argue that a country hold dominion over islands 8,000 miles away over a country that is 200 miles approximately from their course. People that are educated and first world.

Absolutely.
A landlord doesn't actually have to live in the building that they own; nor do they have to live next door or even in the same country.

[glauistean]

Absolutely.
A landlord doesn't actually have to live in the building that they own; nor do they have to live next door or even in the same country.

The only reason there is any interest in the Falkland Islands/Malvinas is the fact that there is a high probababilty of oil north of the islands.

Would the the GB government allow Argentina to stay if they stated a claim over the Isle of Man? Let's say Spain. Would that be allowed? Remember, a territory and not a member. Key to this discussion.

[glauistean]

It is, if I may say so, very simplistic to assume that ioan or indeed any of the rest of us who believe the Argentine claim on the Falklands to be nonsensical therefore believe what happened to the people of Diego Garcia to somehow be acceptable. I certainly don't. I think it was an appalling act. Turning this into some kind of 'the West against the rest' argument is utterly meaningless.

BDunnel, that you state an argument based upon an occurrence worse than what happened in the Falklands/Malvina's as "nonsensical" and "meaningless" and turning this into a "west against the rest" is I have to say deficient and uninformed and arrogant.
Since GB left the Falklands/Malvina's and then returned when they realized that the Argentines had returned there and used the might of the Empire, bullying to get their way", you seem to have forgotten that and instead of a cogent argument you resort to name calling. If that is where you wish to proceed than I will remove myself from the discussion. This is the same topic that I have posted on and had to endure insult instead of well though out rational for your stance.

[Bob Riebe]

Quite right you should question yourself. You are not on the pinnacle of intellectual discourse about this topic by refuting claims as crap with nothing to base it on. You mention elections?
They mean nothing since the Malvina's/Falklands are but a territory. Like The Isle of Man, The Jersey Islands, Guernsey included. Only that they form their own government.

My question to you ioan is , and if you have read what I posted and if you know anything about the Malvina's/Falklands is the fact you mention common sense. What do you find logical as you express it in your last piece of your diatribe where common sense will prevail in this world or "stupid world"? Well it's made up of stupid people since people make up the world as we know it. So for intelligence sake, is it logical to argue that a country hold dominion over islands 8,000 miles away over a country that is 200 miles approximately from their course. People that are educated and first world.

iona, you have heard of Diego Garcia? Well, it is inhabited bythe USAF. Why? Strategic for launching attacks. What about the people that lived there? Kicked off and never allowed to return because they would englander national security. "Your type of same world? Or as long as I'm not affected" ? So, the west takes away the land of people who have lived there since time immemorial and they can justify it like they did the Bikini Island by blowing them to kingdom come all for the sake of what and at the expense of whom.

Then the Europeans should get out of Argentina and return to where ever they came from.
When discovered the Falklands were uninhabited unlike Tierra del Fuego where the people who took Argentina from the indians, eradicated the tribe who lived on one island.
Your verbose cries for the Falklands are hypocritical.

[Bob Riebe]

The only reason there is any interest in the Falkland Islands/Malvinas is the fact that there is a high probababilty of oil north of the islands.

Would the the GB government allow Argentina to stay if they stated a claim over the Isle of Man? Let's say Spain. Would that be allowed? Remember, a territory and not a member. Key to this discussion.

The wool is the industry that drives it.
Do you have any PROOF, beyond your prejudiced opinion, that the sheep herders endured almost two-hundred years of hard living because they knew oil could be extracted in the future?

When did Spain settle or rule the Isle of Man?
Did Spain leave a plaque stating right of ownership on the Isle of Man?
Your analogy is desperately silly.

[glauistean]

Absolutely.
A landlord doesn't actually have to live in the building that they own; nor do they have to live next door or even in the same country.

We have seen the arguments against the Argentinians and not one person has addressed the following. They have not addressed the fact that Falklands/Malvinas is a territory with British citizens. Not a part of GB.

Rollo mentioned a law in a previous and forgive me if I get the spelling wrong. He sated Villa Miseria applied to the Falklands/Malvinas. That is totally incorrect and is not applicable in any way shape of form as it does not apply to a country,territory, or protectorate.

As for those who claim that the Argentinians never set foot on the Malvinas/Falklands then I will repost this excerpt:

When, after1776, the Malvinas were ruled by the Spanish, they were not ruled directly from Spain as a separate entity- they were administered from Buenos Aires as part of the Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata. After it won its independence from Spain, the nascent Argentinian state asserted that the Malvinas were part of its territory and established a settlement there; but Britain sent a naval expedition, which seized the islands from the Buenos Aires government in 1833.
So, there is a cunundrum with your arguments.