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    Nowadays, it seems like any group that controls 10 acres or more of land wants to be their own, independent " People's Republic of Something" and I say let them. Business will be great for the flag, map, and globe makers. Of course, sooner or later, a People's Republic larger and stronger than the neighboring People's Republic will start casting glances at expansion. But that's life in the independent nation business.

    If the popular majority of Ireland wants to be independent of England now would be the time to go for it. I don't know that England could afford to do much about it right now especially if Argentina went for the Falklands at the same time and Scotland started their independence rumblings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo
    Nowadays, it seems like any group that controls 10 acres or more of land wants to be their own, independent " People's Republic of Something" and I say let them. Business will be great for the flag, map, and globe makers. Of course, sooner or later, a People's Republic larger and stronger than the neighboring People's Republic will start casting glances at expansion. But that's life in the independent nation business.

    If the popular majority of Ireland wants to be independent of England now would be the time to go for it. I don't know that England could afford to do much about it right now especially if Argentina went for the Falklands at the same time and Scotland started their independence rumblings.
    With all due respect Hondo, Ireland is not just suddenly looking for total autonomy and free of GB.
    Margaet Thatcher sent her military to the Malvinas to protect 1200 people who suddenly found themselves occupied by the rightful owners of the islands. Argentina. 1800 people died in this unnecessary war but Thacher in her "wisdom" decided to send these young men and women to their deaths thousands of miles from home. She also sent 400 Argentine soldiers to their deaths by having a submarine fire on the General Belgrano even though she was outside the Total Exclusion Zone set by the British themselves.

    Thatcher imposed on the Irish as noted in another post "internment without trial". Guess which group was sent to prisons like the Maze and Long Kesh at a rate of more than 10 to 1. The Catholic. Whether they were innocent or guilty they were imprisoned without any representation.

    This is just part of a number of issues the British had imposed upon the Irish Catholic over the centuries. There is the Famine or Gorta Mor. The Irish tenant farmer was exporting cattle and vegetable products to GB while the children and wives died. They had to do this. It was law.

    It does not matter what the majority of Irish people want. It is what the British government wants. Northern Ireland is part of GB and the UK.
    Ireland (26 counties) have tried over the years such as 1798, 1916 and throughout the twentieth century to gain freedom or a united country.

    With respect to the British participants on this forum I would like to state that no British person living is responsible for any part of the conflict and were victims to some of the most horrendous bombings of our times.

    In fact there is a very a strong bond between the Republic of Ireland and the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glauistean
    With all due respect Hondo, Ireland is not just suddenly looking for total autonomy and free of GB.
    Margaet Thatcher sent her military to the Malvinas to protect 1200 people who suddenly found them.selves occupied by the rightful owners of the islands. Argentina. 1800 people died in this unnecessary war but Thacher in her "wisdom" decided to send these young men and women to their deaths thousands of miles from home. She also sent 400 Argentine soldiers to their deaths by having a submarine fire on the General Belgrano even though she was outside the Total Exclusion Zone set by the British themselves.
    With all due respect this has nothing to do with Ireland, any part, now, but if you are going to use a non-related part of history at least do not, try to twist it.

    The French first founded Port St. Louis on the East Island in 1764; British first settled Port Egmont on the West Island in 1765.
    Spain acquired the French settlement in 1766, and attacked the British settlement in 1770.
    The British abandoned its settlement but to avoid war they signed a peace treaty with Spain and returned in 1771.

    Economic concerns caused the British to leave in 1774 and the Spanish in 1811; each left a plaque stating ownership.

    American Col. David Jewett raised the flag of the United Provinces of the River Plate for the Irish businessman, who lived in the Provinces, Patrick Lynch.
    Luis Vernet, born in Hamburg, Germany, founded a settlement in 1828, but the British returned in 1833, saying they were reassuming control of the islands allowing Vernet and company to stay as long as they kept about their own business.

    The Falklands became a strategic point for the British during WWI and WWII.

    The U.N. became involved after WWII, but the islanders voted to remain British.

    So if anyone has claim it would be the French, British and Spain and lastly Argentina.
    Gee there are two small French Islands off of the east coast of the U.S., now who owns those by your standard, Canada or the U.S., or France?
    Canada probably as they are closer than either the U.S. or France; I guess they should invade.

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    Personally I think as a whole Northern Ireland has closer dies with Dublin than it does with London, and I think it would benefit them to be part of a united Ireland; but, this is not something I can ever see happening realistically.

    Large areas of land like that don't usually just change from belonging to one country to belonging to another without some sort of intervening war.. and the prospect of the UK government walking out and ROI government coming in just doesn't seem realistic or practical. Handing your sovereignty over to a 'foreign' government is an entirely different prospect to the likes of Scotland seeking independence from the UK.

    I think Northern Ireland is more likely to become a fully independent state before that would happen. What I could see happening more realistically is more of a power sharing agreement with Dublin having more say over what happens in Northern Ireland - which they already do to an extent, and there has been cooperation for example on Dublin funding roads that go between two places in the Republic but pass through Northern Ireland on the way.
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    On the subject of the Falklands there has been a news story today that if the planned cuts in the UK carrier fleet and Harriers goes ahead then we wouldn't be in a position to respond to a new Argentinian invasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
    Maybe, just maybe, the Irish should decide themselves.

    And they will... The Republic (Eire) would not vote against reunification, so that just leaves the 1.6m residents of the six counties,

    As it currently stands the majority (mainly protestants) would vote NO, however with the demographic shift every generation, the Republican side are growing and simply by having on average more children than their Unionist neighbours this means soon a simple vote on the question of reunification will produce a majority YES...

    and the best part is... not a single shot needs to be fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark
    On the subject of the Falklands there has been a news story today that if the planned cuts in the UK carrier fleet and Harriers goes ahead then we wouldn't be in a position to respond to a new Argentinian invasion.
    That may or may not be true.... however seen as there is no agenda in Argentina to retake the Falklands anytime soon that is not a worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark
    On the subject of the Falklands there has been a news story today that if the planned cuts in the UK carrier fleet and Harriers goes ahead then we wouldn't be in a position to respond to a new Argentinian invasion.
    I doubt that Argentina could even launch an invasion of the Falklands today. In 1982 the Falklands were hardly defended. Today with have an airbase of Eurofighters and helicopters own there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo
    If the popular majority of Ireland wants to be independent of England now would be the time to go for it. I don't know that England could afford to do much about it right now especially if Argentina went for the Falklands at the same time and Scotland started their independence rumblings.
    A very confusion post. Stop referring to the UK as England.

    A majority of Ireland is independent of United Kingdom. It is called the Republic of Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo
    If the popular majority of Ireland wants to be independent of England now would be the time to go for it
    The majority of Ireland is already independent of 'England', were talking about Northern Ireland here.

    However technically speaking there is no 'England', in terms of government to be independent of, it's the United Kingdom, or Britain for short if you prefer.

    afford to do much about it right now especially if Argentina went for the Falklands at the same time and Scotland started their independence rumblings.
    'England', actually the UK, would actually be financially better off without Northern Ireland as it's actually a drain on our resources with policing, infrastructure etc.

    What you mean Scotland "started", if you haven't noticed the Scottish National Party has been in power there for some time now, with the started aim of full Independence.

    PS. I do get irked when people refer to the whole of the UK as 'England'.
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