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Thread: GM Joins Indycar in 2012!!
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19th November 2010, 23:22 #131
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Poor dude, next somebody is going to start a countdown.
Anthony, you get major props from me of you are in fact sponsoring Rally Car. That is a luminous display to watch. ;}
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19th November 2010, 23:51 #132
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Originally Posted by Enjun Pullr
There is some contention here about people who love to pp in Indycar bowls of cereal, and some genuine concerned fans IMO.
Only Anthony would be on my list of people who are entirely disingenuous and slam every INDY car move. Others like to damn with faint praise or concern much as "Indycool" posted about CART/CC.
Of course, all we are saying here (and for certain all I am posting) are our opinions.
your mileage may vary (but I did get a few things right by picking the most obvious solutions right EP-JT )
BTW Split 15 years, reunion 4, when will we stop looking for the remedy to burning Atlanta or the South to rise again?. Could it be 2012, or how many years did the last Japanese soldier hold out. (If Drunkchickwithnopantson could post anywhere I would put him as that last soldier, but he suffered enough with MPH stock!).
Hoop"The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle."
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20th November 2010, 00:58 #133
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Yep, and you got props from me for advocating the solution. Obviously I shouldn't have listened to all the pining about how it could not be afforded.
Or aChevy'd, or aLotused.
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20th November 2010, 02:16 #134
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Well I guess we just have accept the fact that I don't condone the use of OUR TAX DOLLARS to support a private enterprise and most of you have no problem with it.
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20th November 2010, 02:36 #135
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Anthony, I don't think it's quite as simple as you make it. Primarily because, we are (at least most of us) IndyCar fans. So for the government to allocate some of its GM advertising money to IndyCar racing, while inherently a possible misuse of tax-dollars, I am an IndyCar fan, so I don't dislike this idea. If the Government said hey, AnthonyVOP we're going to take .001% of our taxes and give them to South Florida Motorsports report to possibly generate some awareness and income for our GM car dealerships in South Florida, I highly doubt you would be complaining or not accept a generous offer. As an IndyCar fan and also a libertarian, I am certainly against the wasteful use of government funds, but I do not find this usage wasteful (as it has marketing possibilities for the GM brand), and secondly I like IndyCar so I support a small chunk of my change going to it. I'm completely for the elimination of funds going to NPR, NEA, PBS, etc. So my bias is that I am ok with govt funds going to racing, and against it going to liberal news/arts organizations. Everyone has a bias and i don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that unless you claim to be a fair and balanced leader.
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20th November 2010, 03:39 #136
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Originally Posted by anthonyvopIt isn't the car Danica...it is the space between the steering wheel and the seat.
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20th November 2010, 04:01 #137
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Thanks
rh"The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle."
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20th November 2010, 20:19 #138
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All I know is racing is advertising and brand building. If Tony wants to see the government out of GM, the only way this happens if GM is healthy and making money. To do so, they must advertise, and that means racing.
Tony, really, if you understand business, you also understand the second GM acts like the government is in control, they are dead meat. If Obama had his way, they wouldn't be in racing either, and they would be drowning in red ink in 2012 when the GOP wins the election.
Be thankful they are continuing on as normal....it is working. GM is already starting to see black ink on the ledgers...."Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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20th November 2010, 20:42 #139
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Originally Posted by Hoop-98No longer active on this forum
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20th November 2010, 22:11 #140Originally Posted by anthonyvop
I went heavy for Ford and Tata last year, so I have no appetite for GM - too many eggs in one basket seldom works out well... and those two have been homeruns thus far. But as automotive stocks go, I wouldn't be shocked to see GM at or around $50 in the next couple of years... depending on how Akerson and his team execute and where the economy is. Right now we're still building cars at a rate barely above the attrition rate, so there's certainly room for growth. But the FACT is, the government had nothing to do with GM's decision to enter Indy car racing, or remain in NASCAR, ALMS, Grand Am or any other series. I'm not aware of anyone in the government signing off on this decision, any more than they've signed off on which suppliers GM uses or which plants build which cars.
If people want to complain about taxpayer funds being (directly) used to fund racing endeavors, that's fine... but they need to start with the Army and National Guard programs that run in several different series. But like so many other issues and topics related to politics we see these days, people typically just piss & moan to piss & moan."Every generation's memory is exactly as long as its own experience." --John Kenneth Galbraith
I think we saw this one coming, didn't we?
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