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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    You just did it. I was just making assumption he is not comfortable with DS3 R5, (in fact who was?), and it is perceived as an excuse? Excuse for what? What is his ambition? What is his budget? What he wants to do on international level? Excuse for what exactly?
    you make an excuse,not the driver,with you I am talking not with the driver.
    telling that ds3 r5 is not comfortable for him,while a 400 bhp rear wheel drive is more comfortable is ridiculous
    The truth is that now he hasn't got the power advantage,and best drivers win or are close for a win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    you make an excuse,not the driver.


    EDIT/PS: I don't need to excuse for anything, I like the Porsches, and that's how it is.
    Last edited by stefanvv; 19th March 2017 at 20:42.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post


    EDIT/PS: I don't need to excuse for anything, I like the Porsches, and that's how it is.
    me to like porsches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    nice post but,you didn't explain why Vallejo cant win with r5 car.As you said is several years champion. (...) when you will answer this question,you will see who is the stubborn and stupid.
    I’ve already admitted it: it’s a mystery why Vallejo can’t be fast on a 4wd machine as he was on the 911’s or in the FWD cars he drove before. But that doesn’t make you less stubborn/stupid on this issue, because you’re forgetting a crucial aspect: he won all those rallies mostly against equal machines, as his main competitors were also driving 911’s!

    You may ask why the 911 become so popular on spanish rally scene and the answer is somehow obvious: S2000 and R5 cars were considered too expensive (we tend to forget but they actually were/are!) and the liberal spanish ASN is always looking for cheaper ways to get more drivers involved on their rally series. GT’s, notably the 911, were the perfect solution as their wow factor also worked as a magnet on sponsors and fans.

    I remember the first time I saw them on one of the Galician CERA’s rounds: I was shocked! Besides the 911’s there was also a 360GT and all those beasts simply looked unfit for rally to me! In due time, some become proper rally machines, while others (like the Ferrari) were discarded. But all the drivers that managed to get total control of those close to 400hp fully delivered to the rear axle on tiny, slippery and hazard roads deserved my deep respect.

    That’s why I honestly think it’s so hard for you to understand: you probably never saw one of those beasts properly driven on a rally stage. Otherwise you’d agree their drivers are rally heroes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    all those beasts simply looked unfit for rally to me!
    Why not? Do You believe there was 4wd in 1911? turbo? I think not. Of course the technology evolves, but there is a simple thing I don't understand - if all rally cars have to be 4wd (I don't min that) and restricted in same way, why they aren't? We have R1 - R5 up to space ships WRCs as they are now, why can't we have R-GT with the deserved technology aspect? What You understand rally is, and I don't?
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    It was said thousand times. R-GT are usually built from exclusive sportscars. Their market competitors are not Peugeot, Ford or Škoda but brands like Lamborghini or Ferrari. Unless they could create a new top class there is no reason for any GT manufacturer to even think about supporting GTs in rallying. Without manufacturer support the class as a whole is dead just like it was proven already. One or two countries which create specific rules to push them as a top class don't change the whole picture.

    Just reconcile to that. GT brands compete with other GT brands in circuit series while rallying has been a sport for masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    I’ve already admitted it: it’s a mystery why Vallejo can’t be fast on a 4wd machine as he was on the 911’s or in the FWD cars he drove before. But that doesn’t make you less stubborn/stupid on this issue, !
    Ok for Vallejo its a ''mistery'' (lolol) for you why he is minutes behind with same machinery as Ares, Garcia etc
    Burgo the vice champion with the unrestricted 911 do you know why he is also minutes from top r5 crews?
    Is it a mystery too?
    So you haven't got problem that Vallejo has been 3 times champion with the unrestricted 911,a driver that with same machinery is 2 minutes behind Garcia Ares etc as we see at last rallies.
    Not only you haven't got any problem,but you applaused him.
    Is it clear now who is the stubborn and stupid?


    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    You may ask why the 911 become so popular on spanish rally scene and the answer is somehow obvious: S2000 and R5 cars were considered too expensive (we tend to forget but they actually were/are!) and the liberal spanish ASN is always looking for cheaper ways to get more drivers involved on their rally series. GT’s, notably the 911, were the perfect solution as their wow factor also worked as a magnet on sponsors and fans.

    I remember the first time I saw them on one of the Galician CERA’s rounds: I was shocked! Besides the 911’s there was also a 360GT and all those beasts simply looked unfit for rally to me! In due time, some become proper rally machines, while others (like the Ferrari) were discarded. But all the drivers that managed to get total control of those close to 400hp fully delivered to the rear axle on tiny, slippery and hazard roads deserved my deep respect.

    That’s why I honestly think it’s so hard for you to understand: you probably never saw one of those beasts properly driven on a rally stage. Otherwise you’d agree their drivers are rally heroes!
    I don't care if they run porsches/Ferraris/whatever,they can run whatever they want,but these cars cant be champions against r5 cars.
    It is not fair to be slower as a driver and become champion,because you have 100+ bhp fater tyres etc.
    Hope I don't have to come back to explain basic things about rallying.

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    Guys, debate all you like but please don't insult each other; no need for it on here.

    I enjoy reading the debate (personally, i can understand someone being unable to adapt to 4WD as well as 2WD, but maybe it would just be a personal issue with the DS3; sometimes people just aren't well suited to a particular car) but remember that it's subjective and not based on fact, so it's OK to have different opinions.

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    Mirek has right-exclusive manufacturer like Porsche has not interest whatsoever to compete with Peugeot&Ford&Škoda.....so they will never ''give a cent'' for rallying. It is fine for me.....
    What I'm referring to: @dodge33cymru wrote, that somebody can not adapt to different drive. I agree, because I was lucky last year to be a codriver in an old BMW E36 M3, in wet!! After beeing a copilot for almost 20 years in front drive cars, this is something TOTAL different. No way for some amateur rally driver to step from FWD to RWD. It is a retirement after first few bends (retirement due to ''off the road'').
    So, even Vallejo is not an ordinary amateur driver, he might have some problems with 4WD car. Why not??
    And beside that, DS3 R5 is far away from Fiesta or Fabia. I hope dimvii you agree with this....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ucci View Post
    So, even Vallejo is not an ordinary amateur driver, he might have some problems with 4WD car. Why not??
    4wd is easier than a rwd rear engine car.Except that we are talking about multiple champion,not an amateur.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ucci View Post
    And beside that, DS3 R5 is far away from Fiesta or Fabia. I hope dimvii you agree with this....
    I am not so sure at asphalt if its slower.At Portugal ds3 r5 done 1-2 at last rally,Abbring was leading,Ucci was leading too at last weekend.
    We cant say that they are slower at tarmac.Unreliable yes.
    Burgo was with fabia r5 btw and he was slow too.

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