Thread: Hamilton second title?
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1st September 2010, 21:33 #21
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Originally Posted by Robinho
Second he was driving rather on the limit in the incidents with Webber and Button.
Third, it was Liuzzi who turned onto him in Spa, and this example one really showed you bias against Vettel.
Impetuous yes, poor judgement no. I reserve that for Webber's Valencia trick, that Vettel's detractors have swept under the carpet and forgot about while targeting Vettel left right and center!
BTW what was Webber's penalty for destroying Kovy's race?Michael Schumacher The Best Ever F1 Driver
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2nd September 2010, 07:26 #22
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2nd September 2010, 08:09 #23
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Originally Posted by ioanAyrton Senna, Legend. R.I.P.
\"If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver. Because we are competing. We are competing to win. And the main motivation to all of us is to compete for a victory. It is not to come third, fourth, fifth or sixth. I race to win\".
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2nd September 2010, 10:44 #24
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Originally Posted by ioan
I am talking about what i consider to be Vettels mistakes this year, not Webbers. You disagree where the fault lies in the incidents, thats fair enough, but i place the blame at least half on him in all of the incidents i mentioned, including Liuzzi, which IMO was 50-50 at best. As Vettel was on the outside of a left hander and they were both turning left i fail to see how Liuzzi turned into Vettel. I agree Liuzzi probably should have conceded earlier, but equally Vettel could have left a little more room - by then his race was screwed so he probably didn't care anyway.
I think he did bang wheels with Sutil at the hairpin at Silverstone, and if he didn't, it was still his error at the 1st corner that landed him down the field.
I do think Webber was mostly at fault for the Valenicia incident, but it was a mistake, so that ok isn't it - as long as drivers don't do it on purpose hard racing is ok, this is correct isn't it? he arguably should have been pulled up for causing an avoidable incident. I have never stated he shouldn't, nor that i think the stewards are entirely consistent in their application of penalties
However i do think Webber is driving with a more considered approach than Vettel and the results have shown this and i still think Turkey was mostly down to Vettel too. Vettel really should have converted more of his dominance from qually, in the fastest car, into more wins this year, like Button who you derided so much last year, managed to do when he had the advantage. If Button did it then why can't Vettel? Maybe Button's acheivments were quite impressive after all? nah, couldn't be, right?"I" before "E" except after "C". Weird.
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2nd September 2010, 10:49 #25
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Originally Posted by jens
Like i said before, any one of these incidents in isolation could be considered a minor mistake or even bad luck, but he has made a number of mistakes IMO which are beginning to show a pattern of what i consider to be impeteousness and poor judgement. If he can learn from them and curb that a little, like Hamilton did after his erratic first couple of seasons then i think he will become a much better driver. at the moment i consider him very very fast, but inconsistent in races."I" before "E" except after "C". Weird.
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2nd September 2010, 11:28 #26
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Originally Posted by Robinho
Yes, Hammy won it in 2008 but I think everyone can agree that he's a much superior driver than the one we saw become champion.Please 'like' our facebook page http://www.facebook.com/motorsportforums
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2nd September 2010, 12:39 #27
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Originally Posted by Mark
But yes, now Lewis is much better driver and seems favorite to win the championship, but I'd be very happy if Webber wins it. It will be heartwarming...Formula 1
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2nd September 2010, 13:02 #28
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Originally Posted by jens
My point still stands that the crash kid should have been circumspect and realised that two abreast in that corner was not possible. He should have slotted in behind Mark and Lewis. Losing 2 places is better than driving with three wheels on your wagon for the most part of lap one isn't it?Opinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
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2nd September 2010, 13:51 #29
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Itīs gona be easy now when MacLaren has a car with traction control. From now on they are the one to beat. Traction out of turns was their weak point earlier, no moore.
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2nd September 2010, 14:08 #30
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