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1st September 2010, 08:30 #71
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Originally Posted by Saint Devote
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1st September 2010, 09:19 #72
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Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Luckily for Mark, he has not only the experience, but also the mental strength to shrug this off and use this to his advantage by channeling the frustration to his benefit.
Vettel will deffo NOT like the new Crash Kid label, and that will stick like poop to a sheet.
Vettel needs a miracle to take the title this year. Red Bull need a title this year - they NEED to back Mark.Opinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
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1st September 2010, 09:38 #73
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You people who have never seriously raced, and even worse, never raced in wet conditions, you are sitting here as arm chair quarterbacks trying to micromanage what a driver should do and should not do, as though seconds were minutes in conditions about which you are without a clue.
The conditions were wet. PERIOD.
Traction can come and go faster than your little fingers can type, and faster than even the best of the racers can anticipate or react. Even with the best, a successful race in the rain is more a question of luck rather than skill.
And when traction disappears, the car will go where it wants.
And this where the FIA dumbutts failed at Spa a few years ago, with the Lewis stupid penalty, and this is where they failed at Spa again this year.
Many at this year's Spa would qualify as a driver of the race, but I saw none who would qualify as donkeys. NOT ONE.Only the dead know the end of war. Plato:beer:
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1st September 2010, 09:44 #74
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Originally Posted by markabilly
The track was dry, then damp, then greasy, then wet and at one point we had some spray. And in between it dried out again.
However, I have noted that you alone are the authority on who was and who was not capable at Spa.Opinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
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1st September 2010, 09:47 #75
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One thing that I don't understand from Spa, is the insistence by the Red Bull team on running Seb on full wets, even after he had destroyed one set.
To me, Seb needs to start telling the team what he wants, not what they think he needs, cos it aint working just now.Opinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
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1st September 2010, 12:55 #76
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
See here, you can watch da TV all you want, watch slow mo all you want, but that is not the real deal. Back in the day, my visibility of what to expect was much much better because there was not much blocking the view. Indeed not much different from that of the high mounted in-car camera view that you so typically see today.
And unlike today, I was not buried in the car, with this long flat nose, or as in some cases now, with the front body work having those bumps for front wheel attachments to the body, and various other things sticking up---and even back then, it was very difficult to see actual track conditions such as oil dropped by someone. Add in misting rain or full rain, and it became mostly guess work.
Jump forward to today's F1 car.
What little I have seen from the actual view of the driver shows very limited visibility to the point where I think the driver is relying too much on feel and intuition as to driving through the actual corners. Indeed in many corners, I doubt the driver can even see the actual apex of the corner. As to actually seeing the condition of the track surface, it must be near impossible in many corners and even on straights.
And why does everyone want rain at races? because it adds this uncertainity and excitment that is otherwise lacking from F1
So as you acknowledge that I am the "alone [are the] authority on who was and who was not capable" at Spa, I say judge not any of them in negative terms, when you have no clue as to what it was like be one of the drivers at Spa.
I saw no donkeys among the drivers, not one.Only the dead know the end of war. Plato:beer:
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
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What an unbelievable season Vettel is having. I mean it's like living through all your life experiences in one year. Wonder if he is capable of learning from them too like Hamilton has made through a major transformation in the last two seasons.
Everything that is possible has either gone wrong or has he done wrong. At least he can't be called "softy" racer like he was last year - he actually tries too hard. His racecraft is quite sloppy though - he wants much, but hasn't got the skills to handle a car properly in wheel-to-wheel battles. Actually whenever I watch him racing, there is always a feeling that an accident is around the corner. As there is a saying - at least someone has to entertain the public. Now it's his turn to fulfill that role in F1.
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1st September 2010, 18:34 #79
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It's true, if the simulators have gotten the viewpoint even close, the drivers can't see much at all. It's probably why one wonders why in the wet drivers put the wheels on the slippery painted line at the track edge in the wet and then have the inevitable spin entering a corner. I cannot drive with the driver view at all.
I disagree with the penalty but I do kind of understand the thought process as I just felt the collision coming from a mile away...when Seb got the run on Button I thought there was a high probability of a crunch, because of the conditions and because of Vettel's desperation...and that's exactly what happened, and with major championship implications. However it's true the precedent is no penalty for this sort of contact.Formula Platypus 2012
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When did Vettel declare that he was "desparate"? This has become a commonly used word in the press especially with the idiot German press now climbiing onto the bash Vettel bandwagon - and it is all nonsense.
It was a racing accident and at worst was a misjudgement - most probably misfortune.
Motor racing is like war - the best laid plans go wrong.
I wonder what all these finger pointers will say if Vettel wins the next three pole positions and wins several grands prix in the last SIX races. Hopefully it will shut them up - but fat chance - people like these always move the goal posts.Jense - Mclaren MP4-25 :DMonzaOne :D
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