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  1. 2nd August 2015, 00:11 #611
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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    out of all this propaganda maybe the managers are the best and again only when it comes to stupid japanese teams and their autistic choices... proper teams only use the finish kids for support roles nowadays and they use real men for the hard tasks.
    Your greek right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lundefaret View Post
    Your greek right?
    It might be frustrating Loeb didn't break Finnish rally victories record.....
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lundefaret View Post
    Your greek right?
    yes but not for much longer maybe 2 years maximum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    It might be frustrating Loeb didn't break Finnish rally victories record.....
    The REALLY frustrating part is that i expected a giant like Toyota to enter the WRC as a full manufacturer entry and from the looks of things they are transforming into a closed circle party of super best friends with catastrophic failure written all over it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    The REALLY frustrating part is that i expected a giant like Toyota to enter the WRC as a full manufacturer entry and from the looks of things they are transforming into a closed circle party of super best friends with catastrophic failure written all over it...
    It is frustrating for all rally fans less and less manufacturers to be interested in factory wrc rally teams. But that is how the reality is. May be Toyota would be more interested in hybrid technologies in rally for a factory development.
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    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI
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  9. 2nd August 2015, 01:20 #616
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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    The REALLY frustrating part is that i expected a giant like Toyota to enter the WRC as a full manufacturer entry and from the looks of things they are transforming into a closed circle party of super best friends with catastrophic failure written all over it...
    Toyota cares not about your expectations.

    Money talks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldF View Post
    Could you please then explain what you mean what you said.

    “Tommi clearly sold Toyoda-san the dream over some long evenings in the sauna. Now he's got to actually produce.

    It really seems like a maverick move for what is a major manufacturer programme. Because right now it just seems like Tommi is getting his mates together.”

    Imo it isn’t normal “I wonder why Tommi Mäkinen got the deal”.
    First point - I meant exactly what I said, as written. I'm pretty sure that's probably what happened. Toyoda came over to Finland last year and I read in Autosport that Tommi lobbied him to get this programme. So he surely had to convince Toyoda-san that his way was a better way than TMG - who assumed they would be getting the programme.

    Second point - Again I think this is pretty clear. Tommi is bringing in people he's worked with (Zotos/Donaldson) and drivers he is friends with. I'm not saying that's not logical, and there's probably loads of recruitment going on behind the scenes. But the way everything has seemingly been put on Tommi makes it feel like TMR WRC Team rather than Toyota Gazoo WRC Team.

    Please don't think what I am saying is anti-Finnish or something. That's your interpretation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    It might be frustrating Loeb didn't break Finnish rally victories record.....
    you suffer so much?
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    Toyota's 3 step plan for motorsport succes:

    1. Spent gazillions to build a race team from the ground on up
    2. ??
    3. World Champion.

    Maybe this time they will figure out what step 2 is...
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  13. 2nd August 2015, 22:52 #620
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    I have still a question to people who says that "Finland is logical choice" because of best drivers, best distance to Japan, best roads etc...

    Why Toyoda realized it 2 years late?
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