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    Citroen’s engine manager Patrice Davesne explain the 2017 engine regulations.

    https://issuu.com/hi-techmedia/docs/...e_october_2016 (pages 44-45)

    Regarding the evolutions which will be permitted in the future.

    “We can make changes, but some parts of the engine are frozen by the regulations for three years. For example, bore is not allowed to change, the distance between cylinder and the distance between camshafts can’t change. But we have three jokers per year and, for example, we can change in the same year pistons, connecting rods and oil sump. Each year there are three jokers and we can use them as we want – it can be development, increase our power or durability, it’s as we want.”

    In the beginning of the article he says that the bore has change from 82 mm, which had been used from the beginning of Citroen’s time in WRC, to 84 mm which is the max bore allowed by FIA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Yes it`s by specs and at least it has been very limited what you can change mechanically(I don`t know how it is with these new cars) so it would seem a bit strange to transfer something TMG designed to another company when they are quit limited in what they can change.
    Not strange to me. It's good to have reputable "colleague" involved. Just in case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    TMG is NOT building new engine for Yaris, ILMOR is.
    Should be in use at Rally Portugal
    That's quite a surprise! TMG's engine seems to be competitive; any special reason to change for Ilmor?
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    If I am not mistaken it won´t be new engine. It will be same TMG engine just produced by someone else. (probably because of production capacity, flexibility etc.)
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    And Ilmor just stopped their cooperation with Renault F1.

    I guess they got tired of playing tennis and wanted in with the big league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liposh View Post
    If I am not mistaken it won´t be new engine. It will be same TMG engine just produced by someone else. (probably because of production capacity, flexibility etc.)
    (or Makinen's will to get rid of TMG...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    (or Makinen's will to get rid of TMG...)
    Mr.Toyoda didn´t like that engine was illegal in Monte...

    maybe, just maybe someone in TMG did that on purpose

    Changing engine supplier was not Tommi´s decision
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    Lappi to drive third Toyota in Portugal, no changes to Juho's position in the team. http://www.is.fi/ralli/art-2000005171545.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJippo View Post
    Lappi to drive third Toyota in Portugal, no changes to Juho's position in the team. http://www.is.fi/ralli/art-2000005171545.html
    Either Toyota wrote a really shitty contract with no exit clauses or he has some personal shit on Tommi. I can't believe he's still in the team.

    He doesn't ever learn either...

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