Toyota announces WRC plans

[AndyRAC]

They should do both.

Hmm, possibly. But if they want to beat Audi, they have to be fully committed, no half measures, with the diversion of a WRC effort.

[Franky]

Hmm, possibly. But if they want to beat Audi, they have to be fully committed, no half measures, with the diversion of a WRC effort.

You are talking about Toyota, not Ford....

[pantealex]

Hmm, possibly. But if they want to beat Audi, they have to be fully committed, no half measures, with the diversion of a WRC effort.

Audi is doing DTM alko and tehty still beat Toyota.
So it is possible to do 2 series Same time succesfully.

[AndyRAC]

Audi is doing DTM alko and tehty still beat Toyota.
So it is possible to do 2 series Same time succesfully.

Yes, but we're not talking about anybody - Audi are the only team who could do this. They're the best outfit in Motorsport.

[janvanvurpa]

I think the 86 has the potential to become the modern mkII Escort.

We all said that about the original, the real AE86. We said "Oh boy, they'll sell millions of them and they'll cost pennies to pick one up and with that virtual copy of a flippin' Cossie BDA, power will be just a few dollars away---and it starts and runs like a gawddam Japanses car---every time!"

And we were wrong on every single point.
They didn't sell millions. They became silly expensive with the rise of inter-net and drift ****ing. The motors need every part inside swapped to make acceptable club level power, and then there is in many places no class with 1.6 limit, and worse thinking about rally,


since they never achieved mass popularity there was never the availability on the MASS scale of alternate gears, clutches, diffs, suspension, brakes......and a lot of guys just used and use now Ford Escort parts. Or locally here in Pacific North West, lots of Volvo parts.

The same will occur with the "new' Subuyota Wr86

[Rally Hokkaido]

Getting closer....... Toyota looks at World Rally return in 2014 - Speedcafe

[Bazza2541]

We all said that about the original, the real AE86. We said "Oh boy, they'll sell millions of them and they'll cost pennies to pick one up and with that virtual copy of a flippin' Cossie BDA, power will be just a few dollars away---and it starts and runs like a gawddam Japanses car---every time!"

And we were wrong on every single point.
They didn't sell millions. They became silly expensive with the rise of inter-net and drift ****ing. The motors need every part inside swapped to make acceptable club level power, and then there is in many places no class with 1.6 limit, and worse thinking about rally,


since they never achieved mass popularity there was never the availability on the MASS scale of alternate gears, clutches, diffs, suspension, brakes......and a lot of guys just used and use now Ford Escort parts. Or locally here in Pacific North West, lots of Volvo parts.

The same will occur with the "new' Subuyota Wr86

You obviously have never been to a rally in Ireland, they are everywhere. Making stupid power and are amazing to watch.

[janvanvurpa]

You obviously have never been to a rally in Ireland, they are everywhere. Making stupid power and are amazing to watch.

They?
What they are you referring to? REAL AE86 Corollas with 4 AGE?

The subject was the new Subuyota or Toybaru or whatever the thing is called.

I was responding to the statement that the new thing "will be the next Ford Escort" .

As much as I like the AE86 and have built good parts and put local boys onto the availabily of things like the 4AGE to Ford Type 9 gearbox bellhousing.. nobody can sanely say the rwd Corolla were anywhere near as plentiful on stages for the last 30 years + as the Escorts were. And are.

I doubt the new thing will be as popular as the AE86

[sollitt]

I absolutely agree with you John. The AE86 was hugely over-rated, over priced and under powered. It was horrendously expensive to make them go any good (which was great for my business) and they were a dreadfully boring thing to look at.
The new FT86 Toyo baru love child is a hairdressers car.

[AndyRAC]

The Subaru version, the BRZ GT-300 is a nice car......