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    Quote Originally Posted by J_n_z View Post
    What we know about Hanninens technical feedback to engineers, his technical knowledge?
    Maybe he can say a lot about the car, maybe he was sent to push to the limit...
    I think Toyota is not concerned about factory standings this year and Latvalas points position is pure bonus for the first season.
    You're fully right. All the bull-shit about Juho here. In every season you've got drivers wich don't deliver (for the greater public) and others will shine. All the talk about Neuville in the past and now he's the man... Offtopic; the only one i'm thinking of he's dissapointed in the results (stage-times) so far is Lefebvre. Ontopic: Hanninen is a three time champ with specially good results back in the IRC days. He's driven many cars wich makes him a very experience driver, he's know as a good testdriver in general and also a good teammember in general. Even that last one counts also. Offcorse, if his results don't come compare with Latvala than he don't have a drive next year we all know (maybe even after Finland), but that's for later on. Now it's time to bring the Toyota to the top and so far i think everybody is suprised how good the car already is and that's for sure with the experience of Juha involved.
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    Tommi in his own press release: "the objective for him (Lappi) personally is the same as the objective for the whole team: he needs to finish the rallies and collect as much information as possible."

    Well crash-tests also give information.

    EDIT: To clarify: Tommi indirectly says that Hanninen does not fulfill the main team goal.
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    Today's story in Motorsport News didn't give too much light to the Toyota/Mikkelsen topic. Basically Tommi said that he has nothing against Mikkelsen in that car, but that's about it at the moment. To me it sounded like something similar that Tommi has said in the past about some other drivers as well. And now with all these Hyundai rumors going on, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how things develop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Tommi in his own press release: "the objective for him (Lappi) personally is the same as the objective for the whole team: he needs to finish the rallies and collect as much information as possible."
    Well crash-tests also give information.
    Actually last year Lappi didn’t crash a single time (his only mistake was getting stuck in a ditch during Sweden Rally, where he finished 3rd). He become WRC2 champ by winning 4 events in a row, but he could get the title earlier without the suspension failure in Sardignia and the hidden rock in Poland (the same that took away Tanak’s victory), as he was leading both events.

    Besides showing a strong consistency he was also clearly the fastest guy around, with 66 stages wins all season long (almost twice those of main competitors).

    Yep, there’s no guarantee he won’t return to a more irregular driving with the Yaris, but we shouldn’t minimize his ‘16 achievements, as they were the result of a successful personal evolution. Anyway, he totally deserves Toyota chance; best luck to him!

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    Sorry for the possible misunderstanding.

    I was responding to the posts just above saying how Hanninen might be giving good feedback etc. At about same times those posts were written Tommi told what I quoted in the press release.

    Hence my reaction that Hanninen does not fulfill the main objective that Tommi states for whole team: "finish rallies and collect information".

    My post was in no way directed on Lappi.

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    I think Toyota is not concerned about factory standings this year and Latvalas points position is pure bonus for the first season.
    Yeah, I gotta admit this is true, but I think what both Toyota and Hänninen need is competitive stage kilometres and you don't get that by crashing on the first stage. Latvala has been a wise man this year, trying to finish every rally, not pushing too much and not having those small mistakes that plagued his career before, ruining a rally by hitting a rear wheel somewhere. And while being consistent, he has also been fast on some stages, especially on Power Stages.

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    Hanninen was out of competitive WRC action for quite a while... no drives in 2016 and only one rally in 2015. That must have an effect on him coming into a full 2017 season after so long just testing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Hanninen was out of competitive WRC action for quite a while... no drives in 2016 and only one rally in 2015. That must have an effect on him coming into a full 2017 season after so long just testing...
    That's a very good point and probably plays a big role in what we've seen from Hänninen so far in 2017. To be completely out for a year and then only to test during another definitely doesn't give you any competitive edge.

    Modern WRC is anyway about driving at the limit on different stages for three days, whether you're actually "pushing" or not. That is something which is really hard to simulate during any kind of testing session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Andruet View Post
    That's a very good point and probably plays a big role in what we've seen from Hänninen so far in 2017. To be completely out for a year and then only to test during another definitely doesn't give you any competitive edge.

    Modern WRC is anyway about driving at the limit on different stages for three days, whether you're actually "pushing" or not. That is something which is really hard to simulate during any kind of testing session.
    When Latvala signed to Toyota, just a few weeks before homologation papers were due in, he demanded several big changes to be made it to Yaris, for example to differentials. Latvala got his wishes through, and as we remember he tested like a madman just before Christmas and due to that Yaris seemed notably faster.

    I think this didn't work in Juho's favor. The six day test Toyota did in Finland before Sweden, Latvala started and videos from those days showed absolute speed. Then on Juho's turn he looked completely lost. He was reported saying finding no trust to the car after Latvala's setups and it took time to get it back more to his liking. Suddenly the car he had been developing and testing for thousands of kilometers was not his anymore. Clearly Juho have had difficulties in adapting to these changes. He have had his bad luck too. Monte Carlo he found a surprisingly icy corner and as we remember, that same corner caught half a dozen other crews on second run, most notably Andolfi to whom the tree was not so gentle anymore. Corsica mistakes should've been avoided for sure.

    As we are listing his excuses, and I should go back to the source on this one to refresh my memory, but regarding his last start in Hyundai in Wales and his day 1 off road excursion, I remember reading from his column in VM Magazine at the time that mechanics have made a mistake with rear dampers fitting them somehow wrongly which made the car very difficult to drive.

    It must be said I'm a Juho fan. He is about the most likeable guy in rallying, always showing his dry sense of humour. And on stages he is fast. This season is his first proper shot in WRC level as he is contracted for full season. He has made it hard for himself, but from the bottom of my heart I hope he could at least occasionally prove us wrong and deliver that good result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Actually last year Lappi didn’t crash a single time (his only mistake was getting stuck in a ditch during Sweden Rally, where he finished 3rd). He become WRC2 champ by winning 4 events in a row, but he could get the title earlier without the suspension failure in Sardignia and the hidden rock in Poland (the same that took away Tanak’s victory), as he was leading both events.

    Besides showing a strong consistency he was also clearly the fastest guy around, with 66 stages wins all season long (almost twice those of main competitors).

    Yep, there’s no guarantee he won’t return to a more irregular driving with the Yaris, but we shouldn’t minimize his ‘16 achievements, as they were the result of a successful personal evolution. Anyway, he totally deserves Toyota chance; best luck to him!

    eWRC data: https://www.ewrc-results.com/season....nat=95&t=WRC-2
    I think it was Lappi who had relatively lucky crash in GB as well, back-end of the car was quite badly damaged but luckily, nothing that affected driving seriously. But yes, he was better than previous seasons, at the same time, there was relatively weak competition for him.

    Edit: Found the video as well, that was question of mm-s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcjeDsnji2c
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