Toyota announces WRC plans

[Toyoda]

I am not the happy one seeing the family business of discarded finish has beens and never beens running toyota

How much information do you have on the team? are you privilege to more information? I think NOT, Do you know all the Engineers, Engine designers, facilities, etc, there is not a huge amount of information out there that I can find so who knows what they have cooking up in their base. By the looks of the car they certainly haven't been standing still. Clearly Toyota saw something in Makinen, and if you think Toyota can be fooled then you are the fool,
Having a base and decent roads out the back all in a tight location is the ideal facility to test there modeling theories and also form an empirical based approach. Seems smart and efficient to me.

[jacko]

plus olympic winner at shooting.

As i said people with low standards is the plague of this sport and that is the reason why the sport is hard to progress.

No matter how many times you point it out he is perfectly happy spectating hairpins, watching ken block drift and kubica trying to kill himself... It is going to be the same with toyota, the whole structure of the team is worthless from top to bottom and when they flop you are going to cry once more like you did with suzuki and mini and you do now with m-sport, but your standards are not going to change...

if you see a person eating from the garbage bin and you point out that he is eating garbage you cannot do anything if the reply is "but i like it".

There you again, how do you know about "the whole structure of the team is worthless from top to bottom" ? You don't know nothing, you're pretending yourself as a insider but you know no shit at all what's going on.
Makinen is a four time world champion and he wants to be succesfull again for sure. He's not doing something just for the fun. He will do everything to make this Toyota project to be a winning team, count on that.
Hanninen as a test-driver was the first good decision because he's a lot of experience with different cars, we all know that. Can you name one driver who was a better choice right now ? About engineers etc., i think also that Makinen and his team will take good people stepping onboard. TTE is making a strong engine, this car will be on the front in 2018 i certainly believe in.

I have said it before: please looking for a new hobby because from the first moment you've arrived here on the forum only the Loeb & Ogiers could find some credits from you but the rallysport is a lot more than only these champions and your comments in general make most of the time not any sense, has no contribution to anything. Just negative and i can't see why you're still here. You just love the reactions about your comments but in the end you're a poor lonely the only.

I like the raw pure speed of Ogier like i do the same with a showman Ken Block or a specialist driver like Panizzi, the dedication of Kubica and a good average topdriver like Mads Ostberg. In the end i just love rally, the whole package.
And offcorse i criticize some things in the WRC like some stupid rules in the past (or present), the WRC approach from Suzuki in 2007 was a thing indeed or the ever wasted time of Matthew Wilson as a topdriver.
But specially nowaday i'm really happy the things in the WRC are in progress, there will be five (!) manufacturers in 2017 (and only one of them could be champion so you know that by now) and the WRC2 is just something really really succesfull also. It's good to have so many same cars and the entry-list is growing and growing with each rally (national & international) with good drivers where you can make also more a good justment about who's really fast or just fast (or in your words slow).

[N.O.T]

There you again, how do you know about "the whole structure of the team is worthless from top to bottom" ? You don't know nothing, you're pretending yourself as a insider but you know no shit at all what's going on.
Makinen is a four time world champion and he wants to be succesfull again for sure. He's not doing something just for the fun. He will do everything to make this Toyota project to be a winning team, count on that.
Hanninen as a test-driver was the first good decision because he's a lot of experience with different cars, we all know that. Can you name one driver who was a better choice right now ? About engineers etc., i think also that Makinen and his team will take good people stepping onboard. TTE is making a strong engine, this car will be on the front in 2018 i certainly believe in.

I have said it before: please looking for a new hobby because from the first moment you've arrived here on the forum only the Loeb & Ogiers could find some credits from you but the rallysport is a lot more than only these champions and your comments in general make most of the time not any sense, has no contribution to anything. Just negative and i can't see why you're still here. You just love the reactions about your comments but in the end you're a poor lonely the only.

I like the raw pure speed of Ogier like i do the same with a showman Ken Block or a specialist driver like Panizzi, the dedication of Kubica and a good average topdriver like Mads Ostberg. In the end i just love rally, the whole package.
And offcorse i criticize some things in the WRC like some stupid rules in the past (or present), the WRC approach from Suzuki in 2007 was a thing indeed or the ever wasted time of Matthew Wilson as a topdriver.
But specially nowaday i'm really happy the things in the WRC are in progress, there will be five (!) manufacturers in 2017 (and only one of them could be champion so you know that by now) and the WRC2 is just something really really succesfull also. It's good to have so many same cars and the entry-list is growing and growing with each rally (national & international) with good drivers where you can make also more a good justment about who's really fast or just fast (or in your words slow).

I never claimed to be an insider, i am just using common sense...

The car looks slow (as was the mini and suzuki and when i was saying that mini looked slow i was still getting abuse) and the team structure is a worthless assortment of finnish guys who probably got together because they think they might get revenge because the french on all levels treat them like dogs all these years because the days where finnish managers were infesting the sport with useless people is over...

If it is hard to accept that a person has a better perception of the sport than yourself then just do not bother with the top form of rallysport which is the WRC, visit local village events that are fun and you can count WRCs in the hands of dogs you consider rally drivers...

I am just better than you at perceiving the sport, i know it is hard to accept someone is better than you but life is like that sometimes, you can shout abuse all you want but the truth won't change.

[Rallyper]

Now, that´s your point of view, N.O.T. And you´ve come out with it. So let´s wait and see. Even if you claim you´re god, you´re not so much god you can predict the future. Let´s have discussion how Toyota succeeded or failed about one year from now.

Let´s go back to topic.

Guys, it looks great so far. Let´s hope for a top driver also to test/hired for 2017. About to be happening soon, to be able to build car around that driver.

[USER47]

...I am just better than you at perceiving the sport...

Judging the speed of WRC car from short youtube footage of early testing session is not called "being better at perceiving the sport", it's called being laughable know it all. Especially with your track record of this kind of sharp commentary on cars/drivers/anything and everything.

[N.O.T]

Judging the speed of WRC car from short youtube footage of early testing session is not called "being better at perceiving the sport", it's called being laughable know it all. Especially with your track record of this kind of sharp commentary on cars/drivers/anything and everything.

the thing is when i am right about almost everything for so many years then maybe i am "a know it all" after all... and maybe that is hard to accept.

[jacko]

I never claimed to be an insider, i am just using common sense...

Like I said you're pretending yourself as a insider with your comments but... nuff said

The car looks slow (as was the mini and suzuki and when i was saying that mini looked slow i was still getting abuse) and the team structure is a worthless assortment of finnish guys who probably got together because they think they might get revenge because the french on all levels treat them like dogs all these years because the days where finnish managers were infesting the sport with useless people is over...

You are the first man on earth how can judge a car on youtube about speed. Well, maybe you played a bit too much with your playstation. First you don't know the driver, you don't know if the driver can go on full speed amd you don't know what's the mission of the test. What you have seen was only the second or third test of the car. All the french versus finnish talk is just a piece of crap, nothing to do about this. It's time for you to let it go, you're playing the old song again and again, it's boring. And about the Mini, well that car was pretty good i think. On tarmac in the hands of Sordo the results were for sure not bad. Just a pity BMW didn't really want to invest in the Prodrive-Mini WRC project.

If it is hard to accept that a person has a better perception of the sport than yourself then just do not bother with the top form of rallysport which is the WRC, visit local village events that are fun and you can count WRCs in the hands of dogs you consider rally drivers...

The top form of the rallysport is just a piece of the total rallysport. As i said before the rallysport has a lot more to offer, it's you that can't see it, it's your shortcoming here. I know the importance of the top of the top (like every sport has the number 1), i know what's the standard and what role it has but after Ogier and VW there's a lot more what makes the WRC/ WRC2/WRC3/ ERC/ national rallyworld in total.

I am just better than you at perceiving the sport, i know it is hard to accept someone is better than you but life is like that sometimes, you can shout abuse all you want but the truth won't change.

Happy for you, give yourself a big applause...

[Hartusvuori]

I've promised to keep myself out of this NOT discussion, but this forum needs defending. I know this attention is the only thing why he keeps going with his rants year after year, but as ignoring him collectively seems impossible, I'd like to call upon moderators what they think. Can we take a vote or do we just have to bear with him?

NOT masks his pointless critics as demand for higher standards while he himself in my opinion represents the lowest standard: constant whining, bad mouthing, repeating same thing time after time and in my opinion the worst of all - sucking the energy from people who would actually have willingness to do something positive for this forum and in that form to this sport as well. His contribution is nothing but negative, a life ending kind.

So, moderators, in my opinion it's your call now to make a statement how you would like this forum to be seen.

[N.O.T]

I was banned a year ago and you started crying like little girls for me to come back... you even dedicated a thread for me... do you honestly think i care ? i just voice my opinions, if the rules do not allow that feel free to ban me.

Just don't come crying again when the finnish joke toyota is flops like mini and suzuki.

[wia5958]

Mini didnt flop wheres the proof that it flopped? The program was pulled and im sure pro drive with all theyre years of building wrc cars would have made it a success. Shame there wasnt a mute button for u N.O.T and im sure everyone on the forum will agree with me here when i say this as it pretty much sums you up. "The man who thinks he knows everything.. Knows nothing" Your no fan of rallying. Have you ever actually been to a wrc event and experienced the atmosphere for every competitor that passes the stage. And if you complain about people standing at hairpins at rallys and other common interest places? Where do you stand if youve ever actually been roadside at stage