Half term grades

[Zico]

I am discussing - I consider any rating other than what drivers achieve on track to be irrelevant. Thats my point and that is what I have stated.

I do agree with the current table results. Webber in fact ought to have a much higher lead. He has settled down, and is in the "zone" I first learnt about when discussed by his compatriot AJ.

Whoever wins the title has been the best driver that year and anything else IS bs and so I agree 100% with Kimi. Otherwise we indulge silly situations.

How can anyone declare that any other driver this year has been better tham Webber at this stage? He has FOUR wins and everyone else TWO apiece.

How can anyone sat that Vettel is not the quickest? He has SEVEN pole positions.

I am happy with the real ratings.

You seem to be missing the whole point... ie, to rate the drivers only... not the driver/car combo.

Im happy to go along with aki13's ratings

Level O
Mark Webber
Lewis Hamilton

Level E
Jenson Button
Robert Kubica
Adrian Sutil
Kamui Kobayashi

Level A
Sebastian Vettel
Fernando Alonso
Felipe Massa
Nico Rosberg
Rubens Barrichello
Pedro De La Rosa
Vitaly Petrov
Heikki Kovalainen
Timo Glock
Sebastian Buemi
Jaime Alguersuari

Level P
Viantonio Liuzzi
Nico Hulkenberg
Jarno Trulli
Karun Chandhok
Bruno Senna
Lucas Di Grassi

Level D
Michael Schumacher
Sakon Yamamoto

[DexDexter]

Level O
Lewis Hamilton

Level E
Sebastian Vettel
Mark Webber
Robert Kubica
Nico Rosberg
Rubens Barrichello - Bad car

Level A
Jenson Button -lucky with strategy, outright pace not there
Fernando Alonso- Not bad but way too expensive and hot-headed
Kobayashi
Jarno Trulli
Pedro De La Rosa
Heikki Kovalainen
Timo Glock
Sebastian Buemi
Jaime Alguersuari
Michael Schumacher
Bruno Senna
Karun Chandhok
Lucas Di Grassi
Adrian Sutil
Liuzzi
Felipe Massa A-

P
Petrov
Hulkenberg

D
Yamamoto

[steveaki13]

You seem to be missing the whole point... ie, to rate the drivers only... not the driver/car combo.

Im happy to go along with aki13's ratings

Level O
Mark Webber
Lewis Hamilton

Level E
Jenson Button
Robert Kubica
Adrian Sutil
Kamui Kobayashi

Level A
Sebastian Vettel
Fernando Alonso
Felipe Massa
Nico Rosberg
Rubens Barrichello
Pedro De La Rosa
Vitaly Petrov
Heikki Kovalainen
Timo Glock
Sebastian Buemi
Jaime Alguersuari

Level P
Viantonio Liuzzi
Nico Hulkenberg
Jarno Trulli
Karun Chandhok
Bruno Senna
Lucas Di Grassi

Level D
Michael Schumacher
Sakon Yamamoto

Great Minds think alike. mokin:

[Tazio]

We all know Hamilton is an outstanding driver, nothing more to add, no point preaching to the converted - unless you're a Saint of the Devote variety

But this is half term grades. I fully agree that the real Hamilton will need to show up at the final few races when he expects his natural talents to save him from trouble when he should instead stick for points.

A point well taken.
I've known for a while that you grade out at a "C"
ailor: I think that is enough said.

[Big Ben]

I am discussing - I consider any rating other than what drivers achieve on track to be irrelevant. Thats my point and that is what I have stated.

I do agree with the current table results. Webber in fact ought to have a much higher lead. He has settled down, and is in the "zone" I first learnt about when discussed by his compatriot AJ.

Whoever wins the title has been the best driver that year and anything else IS bs and so I agree 100% with Kimi. Otherwise we indulge silly situations.

How can anyone declare that any other driver this year has been better tham Webber at this stage? He has FOUR wins and everyone else TWO apiece.

How can anyone sat that Vettel is not the quickest? He has SEVEN pole positions.

I am happy with the real ratings.

Then you would agree with me that on average Button is a pretty lousy driver, right? based on the tables of course

[Sonic]

Then you would agree with me that on average Button is a pretty lousy driver, right? based on the tables of course

Cheap dig, but LOL. The Saint has been rather quiet on the Buttons Love front for a while now - is the bromance over?

[woody2goody]

Usually De La Rosa does a better Job of qualy than Kobayashi, but come sunday's and Kobayashi clearly outshines his teammate.

I disagree. Apart from one or two races where Kobayashi has scored points, I think de la Rosa has got the better of him on most occasions, but the car has let him down.

It's not uncommon for perfectly good drivers to not get noticed because their team-mate has a couple of good points finishes now and again (known as Sutil syndrome, and until 2010, Kubica syndrome).

Liuzzi, Fisichella, Heidfeld and maybe even Bourdais were run down by their team-mate getting the odd decent result which gets noticed as opposed to the general equality or superiority of the other driver.

Heidfeld in 2008 was an example. Because of tyre issues, he struggled to qualify well, but in the races he often finished close to Kubica despite poor grid positions.

Fisi last year - because Sutil ran well at the Nurburgring, people were saying Fisi was done. After Spa, people seemed to magically notice Giancarlo again, despite dominating Sutil in all but 2 or 3 races in 2009.

Liuzzi this year is admittedly losing the battle to Sutil, who has driven better this year, but in reality they are often very close, despite what some people may say. It doesn't help that morons mention Paul Di Resta every time they see Liuzzi driving.

Sorry for the rant but it's my biggest pet peeve in F1 today. One good result seems to outweigh a whole season of solid work and it shouldn't happen like that.

[johunn]

I reckon that Schumacher doesn't deserve the ratings that most of you guys gave him. The guy is in his forties, most likely he has earned more money than most of the fellow drivers put together and he has got a wife and kids waiting for him at home. And he hasn't given up. In his shoes most guys would have bailed already. Webber has had a good run this season and all the credit to him but I personally can't remember him doing anything spectacular before joining Red Bull. I still root for Ferrari though and as long as they are doing good I am happy with the situation. Don't want to discredit anyone and unfortunately can't claim that Ferrari have been the best this season. (Secretly hoping that Ferrari would sign Hamilton or Vettel though as I reckon that they are the fastest drivers out there)

[Retro Formula 1]

Hamilton this year stands out as the man head and shoulders above the rest. He has had some crap luck but consistently out-driven the car.

Button has done well but has looked out classed by Hamilton most of the time although Button has raced very intelligently.

I cannot give either of the Red Bull guys top grades because if you take into account the potential of the car, then both are severely under performing. Vettel is as fast as Hamilton but way too erratic and his brain seems to reboot mid race on occasions. Webber has been the better of the 2 drivers but has not shown the pace of his team mate. On the whole, he if fighting harder than I expected and I give him bonus points for attitude and not rolling over like Massa.

What do we say about the Ferrari drivers then. Alonso is a low down dirty street fighter where Massa seems more Maquis of Queensberry. I love watching Alonso because he will give it his all and anything else he can steal along the way. I may not agree with it all and the way Massa was forced to give up a win was disgusting. It was disgusting because how the team ordered it was clearly against the rules, it was disgusting because Massa should have done a Webber or Alonso and told them to stick it and lastly because Alonso should have more dignity than to demand a win in this fashion (but I suppose a Leopard doesn't change his spots).

Kubica is a mini me of Alonso in my book. Consistently punches above his grade whereas Petrov has shown some promise but "could try harder" might appear at the end of his report.

Then we have the Mercedes. I predicted that Schumacher would be beaten by Nico but not even I expected such a trouncing. Is Nico getting the maximum out of that car? Has it got a bit more in the tank? I suspect it has but on performance, you have to say Nico is coming of age this season and Schumacher is embarrassing and dangerous. B+ / A- for Nico and suspended from class for bad behaviour for his little friend.

Rubens has shown his class again this year. Anyone that thinks Button won last year by having a weak team mate can think again but Nico is a bit outclassed at the moment.

Then we have one of my favorite drivers. Adrian I love watching race. He can get himself in positions where he hasn't a clue how he got there or what to do when he is there, but by Christ, he's going to have a go now he's there More strength to that boy and if FI doesn't get a good car next year, I want to see him move up the food chain. Poor old Liuzzi though may have been heralded a bit too early by some?

The only other ones to comment on are BMW-Sauber-Ferrari-Cosworth-Fortec or whatever the hell other names we can chuck onto the end. Koby is doing a great little job here. We've waited years for a likeable Jap with real talent to come along. Could this cheeky chap take the Sato crown and give the land of the rising sun something to cheer? I love Jap motor racing fans and really hope so. Poor old Pedro at least has a swan song for all his years of service to McLaren but hasn't really got it. "Tries hard and a popular member of the class" is the coded message the teacher might put there.

Of the rest, I haven't really seen too much so we might wait till the end of the term before commenting.

[Schultz]

The flaw in this system is that drivers who we know are outstanding (Alonso) cannot possibly score as highly as a surprisingly good performer (Webber), even though their level of performance may be similar.