Webber and his lack of thinking

[Eki]

Still I bet Webber also has brakes in his car.

The brakes don't work if you have lost the down force and your car is in the air.

[speeddurango]

HK's fault as he moved more than once defending position, such move then proceeded to be deadly when he decided the third move across the track should be at his braking point which was much earlier than the Redbull. I guess apart from one case of reprimanding Hamilton, they never take measures to punish driver who change lines more than once. There was similar scenario where Ralf flew over Barrichello in Albert Park where RB clearly moved all over the place before that happened, and he got away with it too.

[CNR]

"In the end the thing that surprised me was how early he braked, that's the thing which caught me out," Webber told the BBC.[/color]

He was slightly critical of Kovalainen's "aggressive" driving, but said the real reason for the crash was the difference between the cars


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this is the crash that will be on sports bloopers for years

[Prancing Horse]

50 - 50

50% Heikki for making too many moves.

50% Mark for being too aggressive.

[CNR]

]Malaysia Star (blog)
http://blog.thestar.com.my/permalink.asp?id=31342

Malaysia's moving road block, the Lotus F1 team, caused a massive accident with the Red Bull car in the European GP.
The big speed difference was a major contributing factor and the Lotus driver's silly attempt not to pull aside and let Mark Webber past was the other big contributing factor.

[Gibbsy]

I love how Mark holding his line and not giving enough room and allowing Vettel to hit him was Marks fault in a lot of your eyes.

And then in Valencia the guy Mark tries to overtake zigzags all over the racing line in the breaking zone and allows Webber to hit him and its still Webbers fault.

Fortunately the truth is that Martin Brundle knows a hell of a lot more about racing than Ioan, Bagwwan, Daniel, markabilly etc combined.

[Azumanga Davo]

Of course, I shall write to the insurance company that took $1700 of my money a few years back and ask for it to be returned. Clearly I lost downforce to cause my brakes to not work as effectively and, being in a VK Commodore, would easily have passed a Barina anyway...

Oh wait, of course, the car who rear ends is always at fault. So why does the blameless wonder get away with it yet again?

[Rusty Spanner]

Webber is OK which is the main thing. Other than that it's just a racing accident.

I understand DC's point about why bother to race the Red Bull and loose time yourself when its inevitable he'll pass you pretty soon but disagree under the circumstance. Was Heikki really in a close fight with anyone else at time? Didn't look like it. Was he likely to catch anyone in front and a few seconds may make all the difference? Not really. So hell may as well race Webber. It's what the team is there and wants to do plus it'll give the mechanics a big grin.

I wonder if the differential in braking performance between the Lotus and Red Bull was exagerated by the characteristics of the track? The Red Bull is a much more efficient car. Not only can it produce far more total downforce than the Lotus it can produce a given amount of downforce for a lot less drag. Possibly Lotus had to run a lot less downforce than the Red Bull in order to get rid of drag and still maintain its speed on the straights. This would mean they've got less grip early in the braking zone, have slower apex speed due and consequently longer braking distances.

[Gibbsy]

Of course, I shall write to the insurance company that took $1700 of my money a few years back and ask for it to be returned. Clearly I lost downforce to cause my brakes to not work as effectively and, being in a VK Commodore, would easily have passed a Barina anyway...

Oh wait, of course, the car who rear ends is always at fault. So why does the blameless wonder get away with it yet again?

Yeah because what you do in you ****box commodore is absolutely relevant to F1.

Just read that the lotus broke 80 meters earlier than Webber did in the previous lap. its a issue of performance differential being a real problem, not of "omg driver x screwed up".

[pino]

Racing incident that could've happent to anyone...there's no need to criticise Webber or Kova for that