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25th June 2010, 20:39 #11
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Sorry, as much as I am a road racing/street racing defender, I am wise enough to know that the series needs both formats to do well for the series to succeed."Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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25th June 2010, 20:40 #12
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Originally Posted by DanicaFan
You are a fan, and not objective. OH well, your girl goes to NASCAR, and she can run ovals all she wants...and if she doesn't do well....what tracks will you advocate for then?"Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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25th June 2010, 20:52 #13Originally Posted by DanicaFanOriginally Posted by anthonyvop
To quote Paul Simon, "one man's ceiling is another man's floor". You are BOTH wrong. For many of us, BOTH forms of racing are exciting. It is this attempt to partition the sport into two separate camps that is a load of cr@p. Good old King George started it with his "vision" and the cr@pwagon crowd took up the other side. Well the war is over, we now thankfully have a series that embraces BOTH types of racing. If the two of you want to see all ovals or all road/street courses, there are other series that will satisfy your tastes.
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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25th June 2010, 21:25 #14
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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Lowest turnout in the event's history. Oval racing(Don't call it good as that is totally subjective) and a unimaginative and formulaic TV program.
So I can very easily say that it isn't a good thing.
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25th June 2010, 21:40 #15Originally Posted by Mark in OshawaOriginally Posted by anthonyvop
Hmm, lets see we have the history of CART pre 1996 which ran a mixed series to much success. Then along came King George and his all oval "vision" which begat the Champcar juggernaut to replace many of the ovals with street/road races giving us a mostly non-oval series. And hmmmm, let's see how successful were those two? So whataya got, to support YOUR assertion that a mixed series is NOT needed?
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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25th June 2010, 22:04 #16
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Originally Posted by garyshell
In 1996 NASCAR wasn't yet the monolith of racing in the USA it is now.
In 1996 the Indy 500 had double the TV numbers and tickets were still hard to come by.
In 1996 the Internet was just becoming a part of popular culture.
In 1996 "Speedvision" debuted.
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25th June 2010, 22:07 #17Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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25th June 2010, 22:33 #18
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
You haven't said one good thing about Indycar racing in any post I can remember, so your opinion is taken with a grain of salt personally....
I hate boring oval races, and love good ones..and I saw a good broadcast with great racing. IF you didn't see that, it is because you chose not to.
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
This series needs fans of oval racing AND road racing, and they cannot exclude either. They really need more fans or one or the other to clue in to this reality, but this is the legacy left from the idiocy of the split.
You always ask for proof Tony. First off, prove the numbers are down with something other than your opinion ( attendance may be down for all I know but I didn't see much empty grandstand on TV so it couldn't be down much, and the numbers may be down for other reasons besides the popularity of the IRL). Secondly prove to me how CART having tracks of all types in a balanced schedule was a failure. Show it to me....ratings then were as high as NASCAR's or at least in the relative conversation, and events such as the race in Toronto drew 70000 plus on race day, and Indy drew big crowds for Bubble day and the like ( something they haven't since) and Michigan drew well. In short, the series had fans of all the types of tracks. Your assertions are your opinion....and that only."Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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25th June 2010, 22:35 #19
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Originally Posted by DanicaFan"Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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25th June 2010, 22:36 #20
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop"Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
Not important, but nice to see that he has still the ability to drive fast
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