You have GOT to be kidding me!!!

[POS_Maggott]

Thanks to TSN putting the race on TSN2 I did not see it but from the comments it was pretty bad.
Back in the 70's, no less, the Cdn. Race Communications Marshals were trained by the then Scarborough Fire Dept. with those manning the Safety Trucks receiving additional training at CFB Trenton from the Airforce Firefighters.
Further they had one person on the trucks outfitted with full entry suits and others in firefighter bunker suits. I know, my ex was Director of Safety for CRCA and was the first woman to wear one of the entry suits. They sat in the trucks with the engine running when cars were on track fully suited up except for the helmet. Not the most comfortable way to spend a hot day at the track.
I do not know about CRCA today or the Mosport Marshal group.

I actually do track rescue for BARC, working Mosport, Shannonville and, when it's in town, the Indy. I've done it for a few years, I've never been in a truck without my firesuit on, and the truck running. The only thing that we aren't required to wear at all times are gloves, balaclavas and helmets...

[Marbles]

CART, or AOWR, safety teams professionalism was always above reproach.

2 incidents to compare:

F1: Schumacher (Ralf) sitting alone and unattended for what seemed to be an eternity at Indianapolis.

Champcar: The 20 second response time to Katherine Legge's massive wreck at Road America... it was breathtaking! They were positioned properly and mobile before the car stopped rolling.

This incident was a joke. It was Saturday night late models! It was NASCAR! Three stooges. You would imagine they prepare endlessly for that one moment. At least they didn't have that big chubby guy from the "old" IRL days running around.

It looked like an I****** fire drill.

[SoCalPVguy]

I have seen some amateurs on safety crews before (usually at short and dirt tracks), but these clowns who let Simona roast are the WORST I have EVER seen!

I have reviewed the Youtube video in detail and could not agree more... A slow approach, a very casual attitude, lack of instantaneous dry-extinguisher use, I mean look at the guy strolling out with a water hose... Jeeze its lucky she didn't get seriously injured. Boos all the way around for that so called safety crew. The rough final driver pull out was necessary because they "f'ed" around at the start and time was getting very short for the driver

[Easy Drifter]

Speed Report did not show much of the 'rescue' effort. The fire at the Glen was also very disturbing and again not much shown. Apparently it was team crews from the pits who got to it first.
Wind Tunnel with Robin Miller and Tony Kanaan might be enlightening or a whitewash.
It seems the various organizering bodies may have become a little casual about fire and rescue.
The comments from the Ont. rescue marshal POS- Maggott indicates they are not as well equipped for fire as CRCA was in the 70's when full aluminized Entry Suits and proper Bunker Suits were in use.
That is not a critisism of POS.

[markabilly]

CART, or AOWR, safety teams professionalism was always above reproach.

2 incidents to compare:

F1: Schumacher (Ralf) sitting alone and unattended for what seemed to be an eternity at Indianapolis.

Champcar: The 20 second response time to Katherine Legge's massive wreck at Road America... it was breathtaking! They were positioned properly and mobile before the car stopped rolling.

This incident was a joke. It was Saturday night late models! It was NASCAR! Three stooges. You would imagine they prepare endlessly for that one moment. At least they didn't have that big chubby guy from the "old" IRL days running around.

It looked like an I****** fire drill.

The RS accident response was mandated by f1 antiquated response procedures.....a safety crew was standing by a short distance, with an ambulance, but was not permitted to respond until the morons realized they could not get him out with his back injury--he was lucky he did not have a major bleeder or he would have bleed out before they got to him

TMS was just stupid---9 or ten seconds is not long, but with fire, it is the difference between life and a slow painful death that can take 2 to 3 weeks before it is over--those fire suits provide a false sense of safety for the driver as to the need for immediate effective response to put out the fire...


one reason for the lack of an immediate effective response is that the fuel cells have been so effective in preventing fires in a crash......but obviously, they are not perfect and that is no excuse.

so even the old cc crew might have been a little slow....maybe???

but inexcusable just the same

[Marbles]

The rough final driver pull out was necessary because they "f'ed" around at the start and time was getting very short for the driver

Agreed. I could care less about the heavy-handed extraction. If they had ripped her head off I would understand the concern but the lady was on fire. The man with the extinguisher and the extraction specialist stepped up when all about them were losing their heads.

Note to IRL: Keep those two guys.

[markabilly]

Agreed. I could care less about the heavy-handed extraction. If they had ripped her head off I would understand the concern but the lady was on fire. The man with the extinguisher and the extraction specialist stepped up when all about them were losing their heads.

Note to IRL: Keep those two guys.

the heavy handed extraction was one reason it took so long..and totally unnecessary, except they panicked which made it worse....she was lucky not to have broken bones, esp leg, from that stuff...

they should have reached in and pulled her up, because them by pulling on her that way, she could not get out, on her own, and it was her actions, on her own, getting sideways and trying to stand up [while they tried to pull her sideways instead of up]....that got her out of the car

She had to work against the car and against them!!!!

There was only one hero, and that was her, and none of them!!!!!

[Marbles]

the heavy handed extraction was one reason it took so long..and totally unnecessary, except they panicked which made it worse....she was lucky not to have broken bones, esp leg, from that stuff...

they should have reached in and pulled her up, because them by pulling on her that way, she could not get out, on her own, and it was her actions, on her own, getting sideways and trying to stand up [while they tried to pull her sideways instead of up]....that got her out of the car

She had to work against the car and against them!!!!

There was only one hero, and that was her, and none of them!!!!!

I don't agree entirely but you make a good point. Maybe one of the guys standing in the background knew better on how to extract the driver than the one who was actually attempting to help her. One rescuer applied the extinguisher to her as another, in a somewhat ham-fisted fashion, attempted to extract her. I don't think his efforts were entirely self-defeating.

[GRW1983]

the heavy handed extraction was one reason it took so long..and totally unnecessary, except they panicked which made it worse....she was lucky not to have broken bones, esp leg, from that stuff...

they should have reached in and pulled her up, because them by pulling on her that way, she could not get out, on her own, and it was her actions, on her own, getting sideways and trying to stand up [while they tried to pull her sideways instead of up]....that got her out of the car

She had to work against the car and against them!!!!

There was only one hero, and that was her, and none of them!!!!!

I totally agree with you. They took far too long to begin to put out the fire. It seemed to me that Simona thought the safety team would put the fire out before she was out of the car. She had the wheel off and was trying to remove the head collar, then the collar wouldn't budge but nobody was putting the fire out so she was then getting a little hot and bothered. They still weren't putting the fire out and that's when the safety guys panicked because Simona couldn't remove the collar. The very heavy-handed extraction was a complete joke because, as you say, she had to come up before going sideways and IMO if they had left her alone, I think she would have got herself out in time. I've always had fears that removing the head-collar unnecessarily wastes time when exiting the car. eg. Kanaan's 1st Indy practice crash, wheel off, unbuckled, climbed out, didn't need to remove head-collar, also the Helio/Moraes crash, both drivers, wheel off, unbuckled, climbed out without having to remove the head collar. F1 drivers have to exit a car within 5 seconds, does this apply in the IRL??? If it does, then Simona's crash needs serious attention because she could not exit the car. I know drivers are supposed to remain in their cars, on an oval, but in a situation like Simona's they should be able to exit the car, quickly, without unnecessary delay by removing the head collar. Ideally, car stops, wheel off, unbuckle, climb out with radio, drinks pipe & air pipe disconnecting easily as you exit the car.

[dataman1]

I see 2 possible improvements that could take place quickly. !.) Make the safety team wear head & face fire protection. A full-face shield might be of help. 2.) Drivers, safety team and team mebers don't wear nomex underliner gloves under their current gloves like they do on their bodies, head and feet. That would give everyone a few more seconds of time.