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    Quote Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
    Yeah, tell that to Subaru. The last rally car ProDrive made was a complete dog.
    Well, not everything lasts. But I on the other hand remember a long period when Prodrive Subaru was competitive and successful.

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    I am not trying to diminish prodive, BMW or anyone involved in the project....the thing is i see 3 things that they have failure written all over them

    1. The mini crossover is the wrong car to go with...the mini itself would be a better choice

    2. I see only rumours so far for an involvement in the 2011...thats 7 months from now....no testing not even a plan (long or short term)

    3. BMW a car collosus are tipped to use one of their sub manufacturers for their involvment... we know how thats usually ends from previous examples.

    and for those who are going to argue with the old "So NOT you know far better than BMW and prodrive when it comes to rallying" the answer is.... yes i do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T
    and for those who are going to argue with the old "So NOT you know far better than BMW and prodrive when it comes to rallying" the answer is.... yes i do.
    Satakymppi, oikee yks

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T
    I am not trying to diminish prodive, BMW or anyone involved in the project....the thing is i see 3 things that they have failure written all over them

    1. The mini crossover is the wrong car to go with...the mini itself would be a better choice
    You have never diminished anyone.

    Prehaps the smaller Mini would be too small for S2000 regulations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T
    I am not trying to diminish prodive, BMW or anyone involved in the project....the thing is i see 3 things that they have failure written all over them

    1. The mini crossover is the wrong car to go with...the mini itself would be a better choice

    2. I see only rumours so far for an involvement in the 2011...thats 7 months from now....no testing not even a plan (long or short term)

    3. BMW a car collosus are tipped to use one of their sub manufacturers for their involvment... we know how thats usually ends from previous examples.

    and for those who are going to argue with the old "So NOT you know far better than BMW and prodrive when it comes to rallying" the answer is.... yes i do.
    N.O.T: Sorry you´re wrong here:

    1) The bodyshell is just good, wait and see.
    2) Everything must not be written on first page in London Herald or Kerdos to be ongoing. Very much happens as you probably know in the boarder rooms nowadays. Even this project is a way too make money.
    3) With BMW backing it must be just what is needed to go rallying.

    When it comes to rallying there are many more experts than you can imagine...
    "Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper
    N.O.T: Sorry you´re wrong here:

    1) The bodyshell is just good, wait and see.
    2) Everything must not be written on first page in London Herald or Kerdos to be ongoing. Very much happens as you probably know in the boarder rooms nowadays. Even this project is a way too make money.
    3) With BMW backing it must be just what is needed to go rallying.

    When it comes to rallying there are many more experts than you can imagine...
    1. no

    2. citoren spent 2 years developing/testing the c4 before entering same for xsara so nope

    3. no

    experts yes...people who are right very few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T

    experts yes...people who are right very few.
    You are an expert at entertaining people, and that is a good thing.

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    I must agree with NOT about the crossover. Not only it is ugly, it doesn't have much Mini anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaCo
    I must agree with NOT about the crossover. Not only it is ugly, it doesn't have much Mini anymore.
    Be patient. Let´s wait and see.

    Why must you guys turn down something that might bring one more manufacturers team to the WRC?

    Isn´t that what we all discussed a while ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper
    Be patient. Let´s wait and see.

    Why must you guys turn down something that might bring one more manufacturers team to the WRC?

    Isn´t that what we all discussed a while ago?
    between 1 manufacturer with no future that will just come and go... and no manufacturer i prefer the second.

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