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Thread: Is Jo Ramirez also bitter?
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9th March 2007, 23:44 #41
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Originally Posted by ratonmacias
Brutal honesty taken sometimes as bitter , and other times as just brutal .
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10th March 2007, 00:10 #42
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man i feel bad for the halfie fans another 4 to 5 years of following a mediocre driver.
back to topic ecclestone also said the same is he bitter?see what happens when schumacher doesnt get number 1 status and a lapdog as a teammate?
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22nd March 2007, 14:33 #43
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Originally Posted by Garry Walker
BS. Both Ralf and JPM had 3 car related failures in 2002, and Ralf was also once taken out by Rubens in a really dumb move (australia)
In qualifying JPM and Ralf were around equal that year, and the same is true for races - Ralf would have actually beaten him on points had he not had an engine failure in the last few laps at suzuka.
They may both have had 3 mechanical failures, but it’s what they lose from those mechanical failures which I was referring to. It’s fair to say Montoya lost the chance to win Malaysia when he tangled with Michael and was unfairly penalised too on top of everything. Surprisingly even Michael Schumacher had admitted that he stewards made the wrong decision (which I noticed you admit to that in one of your other posts) The general consensus in the paddock at the time was that MS was the one who should have been penalised if anyone (in reality it was a racing accident, there was no need for any penalty), definitely not JPM. The same happened in Brazil, where JPM was the fastest car out there, but due to an incident on lap one, where someone turned in front of him, he would have been fighting at the top end of the grid. In Monaco and Canada Montoya had reliability issue costing him some big points. It was again the 2nd half of the season where Montoya started to dominate Ralf, while in the first half they were pretty evenly matched, but Montoya’s inconsistent or bad luck, getting involed with other drivers cost him a lot of points, while Ralf maximised the situation. In the 2nd half Ralf faded, just like he did the previous year, and the year before that against Button.
Generally though, I would agree with you that Ralf and JPM were quite evenly match, giving the slight edge to Montoya as he scored more points, and while he didn’t score the points Ralf did in the first half of the season, he had the speed as watching the races will show you. While in the 2nd half of the season, though JPM scored more points than Ralf, Ralf didn’t show he was as quick as Montoya, in a way JPM did in the first half.
LOL. Ralf was a title contender for sure, After Silverstone (where Ralf lost points due to bad luck) they were on equal points, then came Hockhenheim and Rubens once again took Ralf out. Before that many thought Ralf was actually the main rival for MS, not jpm.
At hungary Ralf had an amazing drive, and due to team-orders didnt overtake JPM when JPM spun. Then he suffered an accident in testing and couldnt compete at Monza. Thats where Ralfs championship battle ended. But insiders at Williams claimed that they beleived Ralf would have won the Monza GP, whereas JPM couldnt. Ralf also easily owned JPM in qualifying.
Ralf missed 6 races because of a back injury!!! But thats irrelevant when one wants to hype jpm huh? oh and Ralf had 3 car-related DSQ, whereas JPM only had 2. JPM took part in all 18 races, whereas Ralf only took part in 12. Ralf was also taken out by JPM at germany and lost a podium at canada due to illegal brakes (jpm lost his 4th place)
JPM and Ralf were equal throughout their 4 seasons, no matter what JPM hypers say.
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22nd March 2007, 14:54 #44
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Why isn't this thread moved to the History and Nostalgia?
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22nd March 2007, 15:11 #45
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Originally Posted by ioan
Ioan, it reminds me, you never did back up for opinion like you said you always try and do. I'm still interested in hearing how you can say that stats give you the full picture, and yet state Ralf was better than Montoya, when the stats show Montoya did a much better job than Ralf. Be interesting to see you explain that to people...if you can..and got the time of course
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