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10th March 2010, 01:16 #11
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Originally Posted by curry
Lets face it the whole SupeRally thing is a bit bull**** anyway. That someone can make a huge stuff up and still rally the next day and score reasonable points - even when down in 15th or something in the wider field - does not seem a fair way to allocate points. Poland last year proved that, Seb did not deserve the points he got through the combination of SupeRally and telling all the other Citroen crews to back off.
Then you have the unfairness that someone can have a brilliant rally and fail mechanically on the last stage (I recall Petter in Subaru a couple of years back) and walk away with nothing.
If they insist on people rejoining after retiring on the Friday or Saturday then we should have a system nearer to that in the ARC, where each day / leg is awarded points. However with reference to the Australian system it quickly becomes that complicated that it's hard to keep track of what points people are scoring!
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10th March 2010, 01:44 #12
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Originally Posted by mjh
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10th March 2010, 03:41 #13
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My idea for SupeRally is if you are retired, you'll be allow to run again the next day. However, you will no longer be allowed to score points. Not sure how the retired drivers will be specifically be displayed in the time sheet, maybe just separately.
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10th March 2010, 04:47 #14
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Originally Posted by tmx
On one hand I agree that we want to see the big name drivers driving all weekend even if under super rally, but on the other hand I don't want to see a situation like we had in Poland last year. I for one don't have an answer.
Anyway enough thread drift.
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10th March 2010, 08:49 #15
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Originally Posted by curry
Rallying is meant to be a test of speed AND endurance.......
I'm a huge Loeb fan, but it could be argued that 2 of his Championships are due to SupeRally. (Monte 2006, Poland 2009).
SupeRally was the FiA's answer to Manufacturers leaving at the end of 2005 - I hope when new Manufacturers join (if they do) SupeRally will be binned and also the M2 Teams.
Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???
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10th March 2010, 09:51 #16
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Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Having said that, from a personal point of view, I totally agree with you.
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10th March 2010, 11:05 #17
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Originally Posted by curry
The commercial people have already ruined the sport - trying to turn it into F1 on Gravel.
Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???
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10th March 2010, 13:19 #18
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If they want their brand to get exposure then send 3 or 4 car teams out and tell the drivers not to crash
Rule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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10th March 2010, 18:26 #19
I tent to agree with the argument that SuperRally is unfair on those competitors unfortunate enough to retire on the last day after what might have been a dream run on the first couple of days. To walk away with nothing after setting competitive stage times isnt right in wnay way, shape or form.
If the idea of Super Rally is to remain, which I hate to admit that it needs to purely for spectator satisfaction, then a better method of scoring point needs to be derived.
ATM im leaning towards a system where points are awarded at the end of each day, as other have suggested.
Or maybe, if a driver were to retire on the last day, let them be awarded with a percentage of point that they would otherwise would have earnt if they were to finish the rally in a said placing.
Ie. If a driver is running second and on course for 20 points only to crash on the last stage and retire, then if the points ratio was 50%, award the driver 10 points at the end of the rally.
Just my 2cents.
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10th March 2010, 19:23 #20
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I agree that the 'retire on Sunday = no points' rule is unfair in relation to crashing earlier. However, also in my opinion, the idea of Superrally at all is an odd one in a sport where consistency is meant to be rewarded. For spectator purposes, to get drivers to rally every day rather than quit after a crash, either points need to be given per day, or preferably, forcing them to drive the stages.
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