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    Quote Originally Posted by Civic
    I started using tyre, kerb, colour, grey, etc. when I got into racing. Blame it on reading too much AUTOSPORT magazine! What's funny is that when I read AUTOSPORT I read it in an English accent, unless it's an interview with a driver. Like if I'm reading a Zanardi interview, I hear an Italian accent with a lisp.
    Ha! I think the same way when I read Nigel's columns!
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    Quote Originally Posted by harvick#1
    because todays day in age, we all have to be tolerant and not allow tobacco to sponsor, but we can have Viagra and Extenze be allowed what a sad day it is in todays day and age
    Frankly, it is the leftist liberal socialist "nanny state" govenment that seeks to "protect us from ourselves" and substitue govenment tyranny control over all aspect of our lives becuase as jus normal folks, we don't know what's good for us - bu the elite statist governists do. No where in the world has the nanny state taken more control of our daily lives than in California wher the so-called elite statists have taken the Golden State and driven it into an almost bankrupt sewer of over-regulated morass, people and business employers leaving daily.

    For example:
    Hard Alcohol sponsorship - banned (but rules are starting to be relaxed a little)
    Tobacco sponsorship: Banned
    Sodas in school: being banned
    Candy in school: being banned
    cel phones in cars banned
    bicycle helmets- required by law
    But...
    Homosexual teaching in school-required, including fisting and oral techniques
    Sharia law- encourtaged over common laws
    taking of wealth to redistribute to others that don't work- in progress...

    Just so this rant is Indy related: No where has the nanny state hurt sports sponsorship more than in open wheel racing.

    If you look back to the great race car sponsorships of the past, its a wonder I am not a chain smoking alcoholic seeing as how many races I've seen in person or on TV... but I'm not so the nannies can stick it !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPVguy
    Frankly, it is the leftist liberal socialist "nanny state" govenment that seeks to "protect us from ourselves" and substitue govenment tyranny control over all aspect of our lives becuase as jus normal folks, we don't know what's good for us - bu the elite statist governists do. No where in the world has the nanny state taken more control of our daily lives than in California wher the so-called elite statists have taken the Golden State and driven it into an almost bankrupt sewer of over-regulated morass, people and business employers leaving daily.

    For example:
    Hard Alcohol sponsorship - banned (but rules are starting to be relaxed a little)
    Tobacco sponsorship: Banned
    Sodas in school: being banned
    Candy in school: being banned
    cel phones in cars banned
    bicycle helmets- required by law
    But...
    Homosexual teaching in school-required, including fisting and oral techniques
    Sharia law- encourtaged over common laws
    taking of wealth to redistribute to others that don't work- in progress...

    Just so this rant is Indy related: No where has the nanny state hurt sports sponsorship more than in open wheel racing.

    If you look back to the great race car sponsorships of the past, its a wonder I am not a chain smoking alcoholic seeing as how many races I've seen in person or on TV... but I'm not so the nannies can stick it !!!
    That's way off topic from me, but I want to rant - right people seem to be pro-Christian (in a bad way), anti gay and slightly racist and left politicians seem to ban everything which is cool and be pro-Islamic (in a bad way). Hello! Give freedom to people and try to stay out of their lives!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPVguy
    If you look back to the great race car sponsorships of the past, its a wonder I am not a chain smoking alcoholic seeing as how many races I've seen in person or on TV... but I'm not so the nannies can stick it !!!
    Cigarette companies have had enormous excess profits the past 40 years, simply because they could not spent it on common advertising. Cigarettes are a highly competitive business which would require a constant bombardement of advertising. I think the (big) cigarette companies were never really opposed to the advertising ban. Of course, it also made them a sitting duck for political games, but that's what the next generation has to solve.

    I would not be surprised if a lot of these "leftist" measures were actually whispered in their ears by big companies.
    Another example: the biggest sponsors of reports that say lightbulbs are bad for the environment are.... lightbulb producers! Because TL and LED lights have a higher profit margin....

    And to keep this on topic: The number 3 car with the red lines is the best looking car on the grid in my opinion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lousada
    Cigarette companies have had enormous excess profits the past 40 years, simply because they could not spent it on common advertising. Cigarettes are a highly competitive business which would require a constant bombardement of advertising. I think the (big) cigarette companies were never really opposed to the advertising ban. Of course, it also made them a sitting duck for political games, but that's what the next generation has to solve.

    I would not be surprised if a lot of these "leftist" measures were actually whispered in their ears by big companies.
    Another example: the biggest sponsors of reports that say lightbulbs are bad for the environment are.... lightbulb producers! Because TL and LED lights have a higher profit margin....

    And to keep this on topic: The number 3 car with the red lines is the best looking car on the grid in my opinion!
    Cigarette companies were basically only banned from television advertising. Ads were just about everywhere else imagineable until the master settlement. Philip Morris spent more on advertising world wide than almost the entire GNP of all of central America. Tobacco is cheap. It still is, it's just the government still taxes the living he'll out of the fools that use the crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nigelred5
    Cigarette companies were basically only banned from television advertising. Ads were just about everywhere else imagineable until the master settlement. Philip Morris spent more on advertising world wide than almost the entire GNP of all of central America. Tobacco is cheap. It still is, it's just the government still taxes the living he'll out of the fools that use the crap.
    New customers of Marlboro are for the large part people who never smoked before. To make sure a new customer picks your brand when he starts smoking, you must make sure your brand name is the first that comes up when he thinks about cigarettes. People have short memories for things they are currently not thinking about. Which means the tobacco companies must keep reminding you about themselves until you are ready to think about cigarettes. Radio and Television are the most effective in this because you can reach a lot of people at once. Sponsorship and magazine advertising have only a limited public, so you need a lot more of them to get the same result as a TV-ad. Only the biggest companies, like Marlboro, can manage that. The result is that new customers will be more likely to use one of the big brands.
    And now there is a total ban on advertising. How is a new tobacco company ever going to get any marketshare? How are small companies going to increase market share? Cigarettes still have the same before-tax price but the big advertising budgets are gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lousada
    Cigarette companies have had enormous excess profits the past 40 years,
    Define "excess"? Then explain it to the boys in Indy. They could use some excess profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
    It is Noah Webster that has it wrong, and you Yanks followed. By the way....it is Zed that is the last letter in the alphabet, not ZEE. I would say you Americans are darn near illiterate! Honour, Colour,......well you get the idea. Us Commonwealth of Nations folk speak the Queen's English ya know...
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