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5th February 2010, 21:27 #11
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Originally Posted by Alexamateo
Look at it this way, a lot of third world countries either don't pay off their debt or get it forgiven. In another 8 months or so Obama will have us below third world status and we can walk away from it. Hell, Somalia and Haiti will be sending us aid.
In a way, I wouldn't mind seeing us hit rock bottom. Those that still embrace the fundamental American values and work ethic will regroup, rebuild, and drive on to rise again. The deadweight seeking nanny will cannibalize themselves and destroy each other.
With some realistic thinking and some voluntary balance, all this could be worked out.If legislation makes you equal, you aren't.
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5th February 2010, 21:48 #12
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
I think the US banking community is too corrupted by the government's meddling, and I am of the opinion they should have let a few of them go broke if not all of them. None of them were too big to fail....but both parties down there had it into their head the world was coming to an end if the banks were not bailed out.
Funny enough, as I said (and you haven't disputed) the banks were into much of this mess because of pressure from government to lend more money more freely for mortgages to targeted renters.."Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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5th February 2010, 22:07 #13
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So unless you are willing to fundamentally change the current system, you might as well quit complaining about the U.S. national debt because it is now mathematically impossible to pay it off.
All that would need to be done is collect that amount in revenue though the instrument of taxation sufficient to cover the interest bill. The only method of doing this would be to raise taxes and cut spending.
Seeing as the three biggest expenses in the US Budget are Defense, Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, coupled with an aging population as a result of the post war baby boom and a future shrinking of the tax base as those people leave the workforce...
... and the fact that the US Dept of Defense is practically a holy grail and can not be touched.
... and people object to paying taxes in the first place...
...then probably yes.
Cost will continue to rise whilst revenues will fall relative to them.The Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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6th February 2010, 05:54 #14
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Originally Posted by Rollo
Growing the economy over time should help erase the debt, but with an aging population and a reluctance to pay higher taxes, it will bring a lot of pressure on a lot more parts of the budget. Obama planned to really add more taxes on the richer part of the Income Tax bracket and kill the estate tax, but I suspect that isn't really doing to do much but drive capital offshore.
Sticky issue for sure, but The USA isn't the only nation in a coffin corner fiscally. The UK I know is in the Red, and Canada after being in the black for 9 straight years is now back in the red with many of the same demographic traps of an aging population the USA has.
There are no easy solutions, although Jan figures it will all be hunky dory, and of course...he is always right...just ask him."Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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6th February 2010, 06:33 #15
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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
You are full of crap.
Only an idiot would believe and suggest that banks were forced to do ANYTHING that they didn't want to.
I though saying that a little bit more polite would suffice, but you drone on so relentlessly repeating the same childish crap taken unfiltered from Limgbaugh, Hennity, Beck and their imitators that I guess i need to speak clearer for you to hear.John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle WA, USA
Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
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6th February 2010, 07:10 #16
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" but you drone on so relentlessly repeating the same childish crap..."
You think you're any different? Or is it ok if you take crap unfiltered from Lenin, Marx, and Mao?If legislation makes you equal, you aren't.
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7th February 2010, 02:29 #17
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Your posts are insulting and never seem to acknowledge anyone who doesn't share your left wing view of the world, and quite frankly it would be insulting if I had respect for your points, but at some point, I tuned them out.
PS...the banks were Freddy Mac and Fannie May, which last I heard, were semi gov't controlled. The intereference in the banking system by governments of both stripes is out there if you are not sitting there under you socialist umbrella telling everyone how smart you are...."Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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7th February 2010, 12:54 #18
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Oh one last point John. After a night's sleep, I will put you on ignore....there are many leftwing cranks I can debate. Some of them I actually respect. I know you find THAT hard to believe but civilized people don't take politics as a blood sport, but you do and I don't need to validate your mindless assertions and insults any more...
"Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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7th February 2010, 15:24 #19
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Don't know why I even ask these questions, I already know the answer. But I guess I'm just not to the same point as Mark, yet, but I'm getting there quickly.The overall technical objective in racing is the achievement of a vehicle configuration, acceptable within the practical interpretation of the rules, which can traverse a given course in a minimum time. -Milliken
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9th February 2010, 22:56 #20
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Originally Posted by chuck34
Quite Frankly Chuck, this debate is pretty much dead. John has spoken, and how dare we contradict him? He is SO smart and we got our brains out the same Cracker Jack Box that Glenn Beck did.
I think if we all just ignore the white noise, he would get the message...but I do see how some might find him mildly amusing...."Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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