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4th February 2010, 15:03 #1
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New chassis time frame
At this point they're all concepts," Barnhart said Wednesday. "There's more questions around the radical car, but until they become realities, we can't be in position to pick one until they're off the computer screen and on the track.
"The proposals are exciting and unique, and yet they're all very similar from the business side. It's really coming down to making a decision on which is the best direction for the future of IndyCar."
Barnhart says the IRL must settle on a design within the next three months to have it ready for 2012. While the IRL would welcome competing chassis manufacturers, it seems likely only one might be chosen.
This is from USA Today. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor...-chassis_N.htm
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5th February 2010, 02:44 #2
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[quote="Wilf"] While the IRL would welcome competing chassis manufacturers, it seems likely only one might be chosen.
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That's a bad decision IMHO. Champcar and the IRL have shown a spec chassis doesn't sell tickets. They need CHASSIS competition as much if not more than engine competition to make the competion exciting.HINCHTOWN!!
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5th February 2010, 03:04 #3
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That's a bad decision IMHO. Champcar and the IRL have shown a spec chassis doesn't sell tickets. They need CHASSIS competition as much if not more than engine competition to make the competion exciting.[/QUOTE]
Chassis competition will not singlehandidly revive AOWR. This is a step in the right direction. The IRL is choosing their path for the future, in order to have multiple chassis there has to be a starting point.
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5th February 2010, 04:09 #4
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While I would like to see multiple chassis manufactures, it is not financially possible at this point and most in this forum need to come to reality about that.
We need for this car to be cheaper than the current. Everybody is in agreement about that. But the only way to get the cost down and have a great car is for there to be single mfg. If we go with multiple chassis mfg. then the cars will cost more just because they have to recoup their investments with fewer cars sold.Most posters on this forum can't think past their own screen names...
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5th February 2010, 07:13 #5
I think this cost argument is more dependant on actual numbers and scales.
If Dallara or Lola or Swift can build a car for $250000 if they are granted the sole manufacturers spot, or they build a car for $300000 if they have competition from 1 or 2 entities, which one do you choose?
Obviously these numbers are not specific as I don't have any information to the actual prices. I think this is something that needs to be considered. At what point is it feasible to run multiple chassis?
Personally, I hope that Randy Bernard tours the IMS museum and realizes that we need to have multiple chassis' on the track, and passes that along to BB.
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5th February 2010, 13:56 #6
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Originally Posted by Chamoo
Realistically, the will probably be 40-50 chassis sold. I 1 chassis mfg spends $8,000,000 on R&D, then they would have to sell the cars at $180,000 each to recoup their investment. If there are 2 mfg., now you have just split the chassis pool in half and need to make up your investment with fewer cars sold.
This is the same dilemma the US Gov & Lockheed Martin with the F-35, where Lockheed could say it would be sold at a low price because of the guaranteed Gov sales, but now the the US is backing out of orders Lockheed is telling customers the price is going up per plane.
If there were enough teams to sell 100-120 chassis then yes, it would make sense, but I just don't see how that is at all possible.Most posters on this forum can't think past their own screen names...
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5th February 2010, 14:20 #7
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Originally Posted by gofastandwynn
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5th February 2010, 18:34 #8
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As long as the starting point is less than 2, there is no incentive for any other chasis manufacturer to come in and compete with an established design. They have been through this and told that before. IMHO, they really need to think about a general downsizing of the car. IMHO, I'd rather see them open the series to various existing cars with similar performance than ram-rodding yet another new specification no one can afford. Just about any of the various large formula cars other than F1 would be capable of zeroing in on 210-215 mph on a superspeedway. I hear there's a warehouse of Ferrari A1GP cars available that could probably be bought for a song. throw in a few superleague teams, a few former Champcar, etc. and see what they are capable of. To my knowledge, the cars have all passed FIA crash tests at least if not more stringent than the IRL.
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5th February 2010, 18:39 #9
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Originally Posted by dataman1HINCHTOWN!!
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5th February 2010, 21:12 #10
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Originally Posted by gofastandwynn
As you pointed out, without money coming from somewhere and manufacturers wanting to participate, there is little hope of bringing back competition to Indycar. That is the catch 22 that Indycar is in, damned if they do and damned if they don't.
It's a brand positioning exercise IMO. Guessing with Citroen, Peugeot and Opel already using x% of the parts, and all these motorsports departments under one roof, it's probably easy for them to do...
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