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20th June 2012, 18:39 #1471
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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden- Social Media[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Magazines / newspapers[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Instant messaging / online phone calls[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Email[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Books[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Music[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Films[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Podcasts[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- TV[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Alarm clock[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Radio[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Photography[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Word processing[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Spreadsheets[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Presentations[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- PDF viewing[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Financial management[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Games[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Musical instruments / composing[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
- Drawing / painting[/*:m:3vhei2kb]
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20th June 2012, 20:21 #1472
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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
But... in the same way that Apple products are "overpriced", so are those from Ferrari, McLaren, etc. Ferrari is an established marque, and so is Apple. In fact, the Apple brand ranked higher than Ferrari in a global brand survey a couple of years ago. Other highly placed brands in the survey were Louis Vuitton, Hermes and Gucci. Ferrari has a rich racing history and Apple has a rich computing history. And like Apple, Ferrari charges a generous premium (around 15%, which is pretty well unheard of in automotive)... and they get it because the demand is there - same with Apple. And let's be honest, though I wouldn't mind having a Ferrari 458, for the $220K they charge, I could buy three nicely optioned Corvette Z06's. And the Ferrari isn't 3x the car that the Corvette is. It isn't 3x as fast (top speed), 3x as quick on a road course, isn't 3x the quality and doesn't stop in 1/3 the distance. Now, I could probably pick up 3x as many siliconed, botoxed, mini-skirted, 20-something mall rats with the Ferrari. But I don't see that as a compelling enough reason to buy into that club. Just like with some Apple products and the Apple logo, with Ferrari you pay a premium for the prancing horse logo. And like Ferrari, Apple products tend to hold their value much better than most competing brands.
In looking hard and close at various computers last year, what I found with Apple was that their machines had very high quality and performance rankings from objective sources ( ), were extremely well engineered and were quite versatile and easy to set-up and use. The customer service was also top ranked. As I've mentioned here previously, I'll happily spend a weekend working on a car. But I have no desire to tinker with a computer for more than about 20 minutes. And what I found with more than a few other computer brands was good spec sheets but a cobbled together, cheap feel, when it came to materials, design and assembly. Mind you, that wasn't across the board for all other brands, but I saw it enough that I elected not to take a chance. So Apple's current popularity within the enterprise suggest that it is more than just Apple fanbois buying these things. For the past two quarters or so, Apple computers have been the only personal computers to show meaningful sales growth. And many have been PC converts (like myself).
But as has been said here in relation to various tablets, people have to review the data and make whatever decision they feel is appropriate for them. The only person who truly knows your needs is you."Every generation's memory is exactly as long as its own experience." --John Kenneth Galbraith
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20th June 2012, 20:48 #1473
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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
1. Social Media - Can be done better on a smartphone that fits in your pocket. Can be done MUCH better on a laptop while you enjoy multitasking.
2. Magazines / newspapers - Good point and a plus in favor of the tablet.
3. Instant messaging / online phone calls - Much better on a smartphone that fits in your pocket. Very impractical and inconvenient to make calls from a tablet for daily use.
4. Email - MUCH better with a smartphone, better portability, fits in your pocket.
5. Books - Cornea bursting bright screen makes it impossible to read for long hours. Kindle or an actual book much better and cheaper.
6. Music - Better with a smartphone. Fits in your pocket, has awesome sound quality these days, and offers the same storage capacity.
7. Films - Much better on a laptop. Good luck trying to fit all you wanna watch on an entry level iPad with 16 GB storage.
8. Podcasts - Smartphones, a 10 year old iPod much better options.
9. TV - I guess I can see the use of that.
10. Alarm clock - Pfft! A Motorola brick can set alarms.
11. Radio - Yeah, sure, I wanna listen to radio. *See Music
12. Photography - Yep, it's a pigeon eating a drunk guy's puke. Let me whip out my 10 inch iPad to take a picture. *See Music.
13. Word processing - Crappy apps. Will take thrice the time whether you're typing or editing a word document. MUCH better on a laptop.
14. Spreadsheets - *See above
15. Presentations - If your laptop takes the same time to boot as an iPad, then you need a new laptop.
16. PDF viewing - $500 to view PDFs? No thanks.
17. Financial management - I guess if someone has $500 to throw on a tablet, they do need financial management.
18. Games - Are you kidding me? Same quality games that you can play on a Windows PC? Nope.
19. Musical instruments / composing - I doubt any serious musician composes using a tablet.
20. Drawing / painting - That is one thing that is a plus in favor of a tablet.
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20th June 2012, 21:13 #1474
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Originally Posted by henners88
I have loads of friends who are programmers, professional web/graphic designers, video editors, and hardly any of them use Apple products or want to. Maybe the video editors have to, as they require Final Cut Pro on Mac. Some of the designers have to use Android phones and tablets, Windows phones and iPhones and iPads because their jobs require them to do so, as they design apps for them. Very few programmers I have seen using Apple products, or even Windows for that matter.
Originally Posted by henners88
Anyway, these things are not for the casual user, and I can understand that and respect that everyone will eventually buy what they want to. What I can't come to terms with is paying more for inferior hardware. That has always been my gripe with Apple products.
Originally Posted by henners88
Would these changes have been made if people didn't complain? No.
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20th June 2012, 21:30 #1475
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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Ferrari might not be 3X the car Corvette is, but will it beat the Corvette in a drag race or run circles around it on a track? You betcha, and by a big margin too. So, you are getting "SOME" thing for that big premium that you pay.
Galaxy S2 beat iPhone 4S on all benchmark tests done by any respectable phone reviewing website, and Android was voted better than iOS and Windows Phone 7. The Galaxy S2 is also around $150 cheaper than the iPhone 4S. What am I getting in the iPhone for that extra $150? The bitten Apple sticker? I can buy that for $0.20.
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Do they deserve the extra money? NO.
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20th June 2012, 21:37 #1476
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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
My next phone will be an iPhone even though I still do not like Apple's business model. Why? Because despite having bought a top of the line Android handset less than a year ago it cannot handle ice cream sandwich without serious lagging and frequent crashes which have persisted despite a system reset and a cleanup of non-essential apps and files. I don't want to think about how less well equipped phones handle ice cream sandwich, and I note that some companies like Sony are refusing to allow the ICS upgrade on their phones for exactly this reason. Unfortunately for Google my experience with their new OS is so poor they've lost a customer. I'd have been happier without it or with a less ambitious but usable reliable upgrade.
This kind of nonsense is exactly why I use Apple computers. I don't give a damn whether my phone or PC is the latest and best. I just want reliability and I don't want to waste time tinkering with them to get them working. Nor do I want to customise anything and everything about my phone or computer, I am no longer a teenager nor am I a geek. As an ignorant gullible punter I'm glad to sacrifice the freedom to over clock blah blah for reliability thanks.
I bought my wife her first Mac last week, I had reservations as to whether she'd like it. A couple of days ago she said something that summarised the Apple experience to me. She said that she doesn't think about the Mac at all, she just thinks about what she wants to get done on it. Isn't that what most normal people really want their computers to be like?
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20th June 2012, 21:43 #1477
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Originally Posted by henners88
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Originally Posted by henners88
Also, very intrigued to know which iOS games are better than PC games?
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1. Internet browsers.
2. Email clients
3. Instant messengers
4. Currency calculators
5. Language translators
6. Google Maps (wow, what amazing invention by Apple)
7. Google Earth (I think I first saw it in 2005 when I still had Windows XP, back when not even the first iPhone was launched).
8. Cloud storage clients like Dropbox, FTP Clients.
9. GPS (let's thank Apple for that too!)
10. Windows 7 gadgets for news, RSS feeds, twitter feeds.
11. Dictionary apps.
12. Photoshop Express (the good for nothing ******* child of Adobe Photoshop for PC)
13. Adobe PDF reader (another iPhone exclusive! )
14. Oh and Adobe flash, which Apple for some reason took a hell of a long time with. Is it still properly optimized for the iOS? What do I know? I'm just talking crap from my imagination.
15. Radio
16. Instagram (Take a picture and throw a filter on it. Wow, how would it have been possible without Apple??)
Why did all these transition from Windows to iOS and Android? Because surprise, surprise, Windows was there first, and people wanna do things on their phones which they do on their computer. The rest of them are specific OS and phone based apps which wouldn't work on Windows and vice versa.
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20th June 2012, 22:21 #1479
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Originally Posted by henners88
You can't quote or modify easily on iOS either, especially on that dinky 4S screen.
G'night from my side too. I think the discussion of Mac vs PC, Apple vs Sensible Products is eternal and will only go in circles. And while it's so much fun, unfortunately it's late and I have a crappy work schedule for the rest of the week. Enjoy your tablets.
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20th June 2012, 22:38 #1480
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Originally Posted by Malbec
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Yeah, not for me. I usually pay half the money for PC components compared to a Mac, do the assembling and tinkering myself, takes 2 hours max to install the OS and all the other applications I need.
The PC I'm using right now, my current Win 7 and antivirus installation was done in 2009, with regular updates and small, puny maintenance, it has been running error free now for 3 years with at least a 100 applications and 2 TB occupied. No blue screen errors, no lags, nothing. Same goes for a Dell Inspiron laptop purchased at the beginning of 2011.
It isn't rocket science. All it takes is a little research and trial and error, but I can understand when people don't wanna waste time with that kind of thing. Apple have identified this client base and have done a pretty good job of it so far.
I'll stick to the last line of my previous post, so G'night and have fun with your apple!
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