One for Fousto

[harsha]

I agree with the death sentence

but I however don't agree with this :/

About half of the 1,695 executed between 1985 and 2008 were foreign workers unable to pay the blood money that relatives of murder victims can demand in lieu of the death penalty, according to Amnesty.

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...#ixzz0W9jfppGr

[Mark in Oshawa]

On the surface, I have no issue with it. Start digging deeper into the Saudi Arabian justice system tho and you have to start wondering about the guilt or innocence of anyone caught up in it.

I have no use for scum like this guy, but the Saudi's are infamous for beating confessions out of suspects and the obvious lack of safeguards on the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

From what we see here, this guy was likely guilty, but hey, we only have the regime's word for it. My whole reluctance to embrace the death penalty is the possible corruption of any system, and we all know that the Saudi system is likely quite corrupt. If this guy had royal family connections, is he getting the treatment from the state in terms of being beheaded? I thought not....

[Eki]

I have no use for scum like this guy, but the Saudi's are infamous for beating confessions out of suspects and the obvious lack of safeguards on the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

Bit like in Guantanamo Bay, eh?

[Mark in Oshawa]

Bit like in Guantanamo Bay, eh?

No..not like Gitmo. The prisoners in Gitmo are not civilians. Two, they are outside the Geneva Conventions as enemy combantants, so they are in a limbo legally. Three, the US does NOT torture their prisoners outside of waterboarding, and that has been documented to have only been on 7 prisoners apparnetly. I happen to think it is a gray area, and wouldn't want to be waterboarded, but then again I wasn't trying to kill US soldiers in a war zone wearing no uniform.

Also take note. All were in either trials in a military tribunal or now heading probably to a civilian court. Also note that the world's press has been running in and out of Gitmo's prison for ages, and no journalist who has been there and then seen people held in Saudi Arabia would equate the two. So no...it isn't like the same Eki, but in your world of moral equivalence, I am sure you will disagree. Like I have said before, it is easy to have all the answers to the world's problems as a smug, socialist libreal in Finland.

[Eki]

No..not like Gitmo. The prisoners in Gitmo are not civilians.

Some of them are. And some of them have even been found innocent and released. I remember a news saying that some Afghan gangs had snatched innocent bystanders and sold them to the Americans as "enemy combatants" who bought them and paid reward. Possibly they even shipped some of those innocent captives to Gitmo.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Some of them are. And some of them have even been found innocent and released. I remember a news saying that some Afghan gangs had snatched innocent bystanders and sold them to the Americans as "enemy combatants" who bought them and paid reward. Possibly they even shipped some of those innocent captives to Gitmo.

Well since Obama got elected, I keep waiting for them to be released since that was one of his promises. Maybe his administration realized that these guys were there for a good reason. I don't doubt there is innocents there, and some sort of process should be done to weed them out. That said, 90% of I suspect would be quite happy to go back to killing Americans in the same manner they did when they were captured.