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24th September 2009, 13:14 #21
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hmmm, let's add it all up. An over-rated underachiever directly involved in a huge F1 scandal with absolutely no oval experience with a name and personality that almost no Americans will find interest in. That coupled with his own admission of wanting to try 'Indy' for a year until the waters calm in F1, all the while taking a seat from a deserving driver who has worked & wants to be in the series. Yeah, that's just what the IndyCar Series needs.
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24th September 2009, 14:39 #22
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Indyracefan, I agree entirely, except that the IRL does not have much if any choice now. In the "old" days it would have been "don't let the door hit you on the way out", but it's not the old days. Indycar is dying, anything to get it in the public's eye is good, even this despicable character.
There is no substitute...
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24th September 2009, 15:34 #23
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http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=694517
Originally Posted by indyracefan
The talented son of a racing legend lets ego and bad judgment take advantage of him making a bad situation even worse. Humbled, his dreams of following in his father's footsteps shattered he comes to America looking for redemption and a second chance in the land of opportunity, knowing that he must once again prove himself if he ever is to reach the pinnacle of his career.
It's all in how you frame it. Given the right spin, and a love interest, it's potentially a movie-quality storyline.
If he comes to the IRL, owns up to his mistakes, tries to start over and does well its a good storyline. It won't single-handedly save the IRL, but its another drop in the bucket towards being interesting, which sadly the IRL is not, and hasn't been for a long time outside of the merger.
Honestly how is what Nelson did any different than Dario blocking for Marco at Infineon? Or Rubens letting his teammates twice pass him for the win? Teams have manipulated races to their advantage before, in ways we're never aware of. The only difference is you don't like Nelson so you're holding it against him. Believe me there have been times perfecly functioning cars have stopped on the course for "Mechanical issues," to bring out yellows for their teammates.
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24th September 2009, 16:51 #24Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
At the time I replied the transcripts were not out yet. And isn't Nelson denying that? It may be true, but I find it a lot easier to believe this was Flavio's idea than Nelson's. But they may be clouded because I have never cared for Flavio or the heavy handed way he has treated the drivers he managed or the ones he approached about managing.
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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24th September 2009, 17:20 #25
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Oh I have no love for Flavio whatsoever but the whole thing stinks of getting him out of F1, even though I won't miss him My issue is that Piquet is far from being some innocent bystander in all of this and any team should think very carefully about having that sort of personality around.
Quite aside from that IMO he's a very average driver.:champion: WRC3 championship, WRC4 championship, WRC4 PCWRC, WRC4 ERC
Winner - TRD2 Bathurst:burnout:
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25th September 2009, 02:33 #26
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Nelson says "they" brought it up, Pat says Nelson brought it up. I have no good reason to believe one side more than the other, although if it was the former, I would agree that Nelson should not race anywhere again. Somehow I don't dislike him as much, if he was cajoled into it during an intense time of trying to keep his ride.
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25th September 2009, 08:57 #27
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[quote="MDS"]Or....
The talented son of a racing legend lets ego and bad judgment take advantage of him making a bad situation even worse. Humbled, his dreams of following in his father's footsteps shattered he comes to America looking for redemption and a second chance in the land of opportunity, knowing that he must once again prove himself if he ever is to reach the pinnacle of his career.
It's all in how you frame it. Given the right spin, and a love interest, it's potentially a movie-quality storyline.
Given the right spin, and a love interest ? Gees - sounds more likely he's heading for the porn industry not the IRLGo the ALL BLACKS !
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25th September 2009, 09:04 #28
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Originally Posted by MDS
Given the right spin and a love interest, you sound like Nelson Piquet Jr is heading for the porn industry, not the IRL...
All that aside there are a few talented and more experienced drivers who should have full time rides before he gets one. If only that was the way it worked..Go the ALL BLACKS !
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25th September 2009, 11:39 #29
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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
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25th September 2009, 19:25 #30Originally Posted by bravefish
Jokes aside, I don't like the guy at all. But I wouldn't dismiss him as a driver in the IRL just because he was a flop against Fernando Alonso. As for being a cheat, with low morals... I won't argue with that. But some might put M. Schumacher, Prost, Senna, Hamilton and Alonso in that same category... at least on various levels. In GP2 (which was pretty close to an IRL car when he was up front in the series), Prost, Jr. was without question championship material. And then you compare him to a known quantity like Mike Conway. Conway hasn't shown that badly in the IRL, and he was nothing special (to say the least) in GP2. IMO, he'd probably do better than OK here.
And let's face it, the IRL is too sweet & chummy for a lot of tastes (mine anyway). All that's missing is they start each race by man hugging each other and singing the Barney the Dinosaur song: I love you. You love me. We’re a happy family. With a great big hug and a kiss from me to you. Won’t you say you love me too?
That's one reason I miss Paul Tracy vs. Bourdais. Or Robby Gordon vs. Mike Andretti vs. Paul Tracy from the days gone by. There's nothing wrong with some knife & dagger competition. I couldn't stand Tom Sneva! But I'd watch him every lap, hoping for someone to put a move on him. That's one reason I watch more NASCAR these days; cause you have an asshat like Kyle Busch mixing it up, while running near the front many races. I like Jimmie Johnson a LOT more, but you couldn't get sugar to melt in his mouth = boring. And I watch a lot more NHRA now than AOWR these days (great job, VS/Comcast). That throw down between the Pedregons and John Force the other week was great! And on top of that, the racing has been great too. Some real characters in there.
So I'd love to see Piquet over here. Just for the hate value alone, he'd be worth it. I'd want him to be as obnoxious as possible, while running up front. He could bring Paris Hilton and her little barking rat to the races. Or start hitting on or making fun of Danica (first meeting, he could ask Danica if she's a little boy or a little girl). In his first press conference I'd want him to say that he came to America to kick ass and chew bubble gum... but he's fresh out of bubble gum!
Yeah, finally someone who could annoy me at least as much as Danica does, but who has about 500% more talent and skill than she does. Yes! mokin:
Friends, Romans, countrymen... I present to you: The Anti-Danica!!!
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