Universal Health Care Reform in the United States

[Brown, Jon Brow]

A political hot potato, does anyone dare to catch the potato because I'm about to throw it.

Now, I've never had any experience of the American health care system so I don't want to make any comments on whether they will be better off with or without. But what does bug me is the propaganda that is being used by those against the reform.

It is almost like decades Cold War propaganda still has an effect on America. I saw an American women on the news saying 'I don't want my country to become like Russia.'

The Republicans throw the word "Socialism" around so much it makes you wonder if they actually know what it means. "Socialism" is a similar spook word as "communism" was before: basically anything conceived as undesirable is labeled as "socialism". You want to introduce tax reforms? That's socialism! You want to restrict the right to carry guns? That's socialism! You support affirmative action? That's...eh, I don't know what that means really, but it's socialism!




I assume that this propaganda is trying to say that Socialism is a Joke. But the joker really has nothing to do with socialism does he?

[anthonyvop]

What is your point?

[steve_spackman]

What is your point?

The people who are up in arms about this health bill have no real clue what they are on about and are so gullible to believe all the crap that is being thrown around by the right wing media and others

I laughed when i saw a women carrying a sign saying America Under Attack

Oh the ignorance of these people

[anthonyvop]

The people who are up in arms about this health bill have no real clue what they are on about and are so gullible to believe all the crap that is being thrown around by the right wing media and others

I laughed when i saw a women carrying a sign saying America Under Attack

Oh the ignorance of these people

And what are they so ignorant about?

Are they ignorant about not wanting some Government lackey making their Healthcare decisions?

Are they ignorant about a provision where Government counselors can enter a private home to check and see if you are raising your kids in a approved manner(YES it is in the House bill!)?

Are they ignorant of the fact that the largest group of the so-called un-insured are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?

Are they ignorant to the fact that it will be MANDATORY?

Are they ignorant to the fact...oh forget it. It is obvious who are the ignorant ones.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Steve, the bill is over a 1000 pages long. No one has read the damned thing, and like all the legislation Obama has tried to bring in, they wont give the general public any time to figure it out either.

Furthermore, Obama in his speech before a friendly audience in Boston asked why people were so scared of government agencies? He said the private sector will still compete, just like the Post Office competes with UPS and FEDEX. Now think of just how STUPID the man is for saying that. The US Postal Service is infamously inefficient and loses money while not delivering packages and mail as fast. So if the new reformed government healthcare system is the post office, is he saying this new Government supported healthscheme is going to be that badly run???


The rage you guys are seeing is being framed by a media very eager to portray these people as dupes. They are not, no more than the anti-war people protesting Bush were dupes. They have legitimate concerns. 50% of the American people have no faith in any government healthcare. Those polls are not lies, watch the news and then watch the spin.

The US healthcare system is a mess, and I do agree that many people may not be really grasping the holes in the system, but what the people protesting don't want is rationed healthcare and they don't want to pay for illegals to get healthcare (funny how the government is going to deny that one when you know they have been dying to screw the legal citizens with all the costs of illegal immigration).

Furthermore, the people wanting this besides the Dem's and Obama are the big pharmaceutical firms, the tort lawyers, the AARP (they would be able to sell their drug plans to the 50 million people not covered and get the money FROM the gov't.)and all those people believing government knows best how to ration out healthcare. None of these people are on anyone's top 10 list of groups of people trusted by the general public.

Americans are not stupid. They know Canadian Cancer death rates are up because we have to wait longer for access to the testing to discover the cancers. They know that most of the people not covered currently either are young and choose NOT to pay, or people who would just as soon have the government give them care. Most of the truly poor get healthcare coverage in the US now. Mass has it, and is going broke. Ditto with NY. The US Economy is Broke and now this guy wants to spend a trillion?

Even if you think some form of socialized healthcare is required, can you see how the US gov't and economy can absorb the cost of it? No...so why is there a sudden rush and the general public is being left in the dark?

You try to bully people and ignore their concerns, you create the feeling you ARE hiding something. If Obama cant figure this out, than too bad, because the rate he and that idiot Pelosi are going, the Republicans will be running the show in 4 years....

[Brown, Jon Brow]

What is your point?

My point is, do Americans really believe that a reform to their health care system is really going to turn the nation into a socialist one?

[Brown, Jon Brow]

This made be giggle.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...33933006516877

“People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless,”

What are they on about? Steven Hawking is British! And has said the if it wasn't for the NHS he wouldn't be alive. (The article now has been corrected as the editor realised that they couldn't tell lies and get away with it.)

[steve_spackman]

So if no one has read the bill, then where are they getting all this nonsense from??

As for killing off the old.

My grandmother is in her 80s. She was diagnosed with lung cancer last year. She saw her doctor..then was sent to a specialist..(didnt have to wait by the way) and got all her treatment and medication all at no cost to her....

So much for the NHS killing off the elderly...

[steve_spackman]

Americans are not stupid. They know Canadian Cancer death rates are up because we have to wait longer for access to the testing to discover the cancers.

Americans are stupid to make the Canadian system the best example of socialised healthcare..

[BTCC Fan#1]

My point is, do Americans really believe that a reform to their health care system is really going to turn the nation into a socialist one?

I've just watched a video of a grown woman crying at one of these 'Town Hall Meetings' because she "doesn't want America to turn into Russia".. The sheer amount of ignorance, intolerance, and general misinformation flying around about this issue is incredible.