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11th June 2009, 23:07 #21
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Comments such as this show what a hypocritical snake Bernie is. When Schumi won everything up to the Monaco GP in 2004 Bernie said it would be good to see if he could win all the races. 5 years later and it's very bad for F1. Come Bernie, you can do better than that!
And maybe some of those in ol' Blighty who are pitching a tent over Button at the moment should remember their bitterness over 2002 and 2004. It is nothing more than dramatic rule changes that have handed Brawn this advantage. Sure they have designed a good car and deserve credit for it but if the 2009 cars were evolutions of the 2008 cars then I think there's little doubt that the usual suspects would be winning and Brawn would be behind them.Forza Ferrari!!
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11th June 2009, 23:18 #22
Ah the midget...
Well he does have a point, if you look at Loeb and the WRC. And the manufacturers pulling sure, makes a tiny bit of sense... For that point of view...
But yeah, as said above, hurts his wallet. Maybe he has a "special" deal with Honda\Brawn that he must pay some extra $$ to them for such performace or something...
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11th June 2009, 23:27 #23
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I admit Button's dominance is easier to stomach as a Brit than Schumacher's, just like in 1992 when Mansell hoovered up.
But did I stop watching when Schumacher was dominating? Well no because I'm still here. Yes I wanted him to get beat every fortnight, and more often than not he didn't get beat, but thats because he and his team just plain did a better job than anyone else, so he deserved everything he got.
Just like Button and Brawn now.
I think Bernie and Max seem to be too preoccupied with what the "man in the street" thinks more than the die hard fan - although last time I checked I was very much a man and I live on a street the last time I looked out my window, but never mind. Why? Because that equals more absolute numbers, and more money in their back pocket. But F1 and motor racing in general has always been a minority interest sport compared to the likes of football. I vividly remember as a kid having the p**s taken out of me for not bothering to watch a match with the boys one year to go home and watch the Monaco GP in the early 90s, because I was the only one that would choose to do that.
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12th June 2009, 01:25 #24
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12th June 2009, 02:53 #25
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No real fans complain at an undefeated boxer, like Joe Calzaghe, a fighter like Lyoto Machida, an undefeated team like Arsenal a few years ago. All these supposedly have superior natural skills and coaching.
Brawn weren't supposed to be anywhere near this good. By the way I don't think it's been a one sided season. Turkey was really the only race which has been 'easy' for Jenson.
People forget that the Red Bulls were around 25 seconds ahead of Button in China. Rosberg led in malaysia quite comfortably before the rain, Toyota locked out the front row in Bahrain, Vettel on pole in Turkey, Rubens led in Spain.
People keep comparing 09 to 2004, but the '04 Ferrari was AT LEAST three quarters of a second PER LAP faster than anything else on a normal track, at least until the new McLaren came out half way through the season.
I watched nearly every race in 2004 as usual. The only time I didn't watch every race since 1996 was in '02 when Ferrari dominated, and the racing down the field wasn't very interesting either.
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12th June 2009, 08:41 #26
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I see Jenson is a worthy meaningful driver, average driver will not drive in such consistent of winning way. But, to be honest, being such dominant, considering he drives for a new born team is not too good, I don't say it is bad. It looks like everyone can win F1, without having to pass long journey where every progress from race to race, season to season is measured carefully. F1 is as easy to put hand palm upside down.
People look at this phenomenal result of Brawn more for the prominent figure of Ross Brawn.
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12th June 2009, 14:06 #27
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I think what Bernie is trying to say is although this is great news for the home team., (and I'm not trying to take anything away from button or Brawn two elements of the sport I have always respected) Unlike Mike, Brawn/JB success is only after radical rule changes, and it makes Bernie, F1 and the FIA look a little less credible to the rest of the Racing world as a whole. Mikes success came at a time of less radical rule changes and was sustained over a period when teams had a chance to reevaluate their cars on testing tracks during the season. And was only dethroned IMO by rules directed at stopping his on-going dominance of the series! With the current system in place If you didn't get it right at the start of the season you are $hit out of luck. All teams knew this going in so that makes it a level playing field. So Bernie's only real complaint is this will somehow affect his fortune, and his legacy, which he is too greedy to be overjoyed about the former. And to senile to realize he FVked up his legacy a long time ago. As far as the dominance of Brawn, and Button, and RB's ability to consistently beat a team he has a bit of an issue with couldn’t happen to three nicer guys. So only very insecure Fan boys or those who live their lives vicariously through the success of a favorite driver, feel like they have to constantly justify Buttons success by comparing him to the likes of Mike. Conversely only insecure fans of Fred, Lewis, Massa, and Kimi, who live their lives vicariously through F1 Feel rage against the machine
When it's all said and done next season will define what Brawn has accomplished this one. If they go tits up they will still always have this year to be proud of. If they continue to be a top two or three team nobody has any reason to try to minimize this year’s accomplishments.
I look forward to the rest of this season. But not as much as some teams may look forward to next. I foresee acts of guile and vengeance in the offing!
"THE thousand injuries of Fortunato I had borne as I best could, but when he ventured upon insult I vowed revenge. You, who so well know the nature of my soul, will not suppose, however, that gave utterance to a threat. At length I would be avenged; this was a point definitely, settled --but the very definitiveness with which it was resolved precluded the idea of risk. I must not only punish but punish with impunity. A wrong is unredressed when retribution overtakes its redresser. It is equally unredressed when the avenger fails to make himself felt as such to him who has done the wrong."
By the almightyMay the forza be with you
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12th June 2009, 14:48 #28
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Well he creates headlines with what he says.
Which means: $$$
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13th June 2009, 09:41 #29
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Haven't we heard all this before somewhere? It sounds like something out of 2004. Maybe next years rules will be changed to hurt BrawnGP. Talk about deja vu!
"You can mop the blood up later." - R.A. Lafferty
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