2010 Rules?????

[SGWilko]

Hasn't a Tender already been put together? Thought it had?

Anyway, we know where this is heading. Max wants a spec series and will get it. That way he can precisely control the sport and which teams win.

He has picked the perfect foil for FOTA in cost capping but will get away with it. He promises greater flexibility for the teams under budget but watch how quickly that goes when he has the teams under his control.

No more manufacturers, no more innovation. Standard cars are on their way with Max dictating the championship.

What I think could be acceptable is this;

A standard Tub including floor, fully crash tested etc.

Teams would then be allowed to design and fit:-

1. Their own wings front and rear.
2. Airbox and engine cover.
3. Radiator/Sidepod inlets
4. Suspension
5. Engine - in return for being given a set amount of fuel per race, the manufacturers can have a budget capped free reign on engine configuration/development. Still only allowed 8 units per season.
6. Gearbox - must last 4 races.
7. Kers - Unrestricted use, but must only produce an additional 80BHP.

waddayathink?

[V12]

What I think could be acceptable is this;

A standard Tub including floor, fully crash tested etc.

Teams would then be allowed to design and fit:-

1. Their own wings front and rear.
2. Airbox and engine cover.
3. Radiator/Sidepod inlets
4. Suspension
5. Engine - in return for being given a set amount of fuel per race, the manufacturers can have a budget capped free reign on engine configuration/development. Still only allowed 8 units per season.
6. Gearbox - must last 4 races.
7. Kers - Unrestricted use, but must only produce an additional 80BHP.

waddayathink?

I don't know about a mandated standard tub, but I remember a discussion, I think it was way back in the early to mid 90s when the grids first started to shrink, about offering a fully crash tested etc. tub for a cheaper price that a budding entrant could then design the rest of their car around, should they choose to. I for one would welcome that.

[LeonBrooke]

What I think could be acceptable is this;

A standard Tub including floor, fully crash tested etc.

Teams would then be allowed to design and fit:-

1. Their own wings front and rear.
2. Airbox and engine cover.
3. Radiator/Sidepod inlets
4. Suspension
5. Engine - in return for being given a set amount of fuel per race, the manufacturers can have a budget capped free reign on engine configuration/development. Still only allowed 8 units per season.
6. Gearbox - must last 4 races.
7. Kers - Unrestricted use, but must only produce an additional 80BHP.

waddayathink?

Sounds reasonably ideal to me. Combining the best parts of Group C, modern F1 and classic full-freedom F1 while being realistic with money.

[gloomyDAY]

Wait a second here....

This two tier system is total hogwash.

How are manufacturer teams' supposed to compete if the minnows can take their engines, break the seals, and tweak them to produce more power? Someone else replied earlier that this loophole would be dealt with once the teams all agreed on a budget cap. I wonder if any of the teams can reach a consensus on a figure or if they'd rather leave.

[LeonBrooke]

My big question is, what's wrong with the budget cap? What's stopping McLaren, Ferrari, Williams, BMW Sauber, et al. from racing under the budget cap?

Nothing, that's what. If they did they'd have nothing to complain about. But then, it wouldn't be F1 if everyone just got along now, would it?

[SGWilko]

So, if you accept the budget cap, you can do what you like?

But, no you can't, because a fart in modern F1 genarally costs a million bucks........

[LeonBrooke]

Therein lies the fun. What will the budget-capped teams do with their money? Given all the freedoms, what's the best thing to spend your limited budget on?

[Dave B]

If there's a cap for 2010, what's to stop teams "doing a Honda" and throwing all their 2009 budget at developing the new car? Ferrari and BMW in particular could benefit as their championships are all but shot, and they have plenty of resources to use. How would this be policed?

[Knock-on]

If there's a cap for 2010, what's to stop teams "doing a Honda" and throwing all their 2009 budget at developing the new car? Ferrari and BMW in particular could benefit as their championships are all but shot, and they have plenty of resources to use. How would this be policed?

The problem really is going to be controlling information, not parts.

You can have 1000 engineers sitting in a room at Toyota, bevering away, with just the results being filtered down to the F1 team.

[christophulus]

The general feeling seems to be that if any of the current teams ran under cost capped conditions against the rest of the current field uncapped, the cost capped car would have a massive advantage, probably two to three seconds per lap, so it is unworkable for the current field to be divided and everyone recognises that.

http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/...-f1-wont-work/

So yeah, there's no chance of teams accepting a two tier system.

On an interesting side note, the article also states that USF1 and Lola have paid Cosworth a deposit for engines...