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Thread: The future of PWRC
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25th March 2009, 19:17 #11Originally Posted by AndyRAC
In Finland we have a class called V1600 (V = vakio = stock) which are pretty much stockcars.
http://translate.google.com/translat...history_state0=
Fun weight is just a car minimipainona. = In rallies it’s the minimum weight of the car without drivers.
Suihkutussuuttumia = Fuel injectors
The engine and gearbox korikiinnikkeiden…. = The engine and gearbox mountings….
Vaihteensiirtovivuston =
vääntöjousten = torsional springs (I think)
vakaajasiivekkeen = rear spoiler
Basket augmentees and turvakaarien meets the requirements of the group rules. = The reinforcements of the body shell and the roll/safety cage shall conform to the N group regulations.
BTW, N3, R1, R2 and R3 could have an common championship or cup.“Don’t eat the yellow snow” Frank Zappa
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26th March 2009, 08:36 #12
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Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Originally Posted by BDunnellOriginally Posted by HelstarRule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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26th March 2009, 09:47 #13
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Originally Posted by OldFGive Leon a kick and tell him to get to work!
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26th March 2009, 14:41 #14
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Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
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26th March 2009, 16:43 #15Originally Posted by LeonBrooke
R1A up to 1400 cm3, R1B over 1400 cm3 and up to 1600 cm3, R2B over 1400 cm3 and up to 1600 cm3, R2C over 1600 cm3 and up to 2000 cm3, R3C over 1600 cm3 and up to 2000 cm3, R3T (petrol turbo) up to 1600 cm3 and R3D (diesel turbo) up to 2000 cm3.
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regul...tingCodeA.aspx
“Article 260 (2009) Specific Regulations for Cars in Groups R - published on 17.03.2009”
“Article 260D (2009) Specific Regulations for R3D and R3T Cars - published on 15.11.2008”
The most powerful is probably the R3T (28 mm restrictor) with 270 hp according to this discussion.
http://peugeot.rallye-info.com/forum...id=6893&page=2 or the R3D (35 mm restrictor, hp?).
The R3Cs have between 230 hp (Renault Clio, http://www.renault-sport.com/en/rall...io_r3_maxi.php) and 250 hp (Honda, http://www.jasmotorsport.com/Pdf/188.pdf
Next would be the R2Cs. Citroen C2 R2 Maxi has 190 hp. The min weights for a R1A is 930 kg, for R1B and R2B 1030 kg and for R2C and R3C 1080 kg, R3T 1080 kg and R3D 1150 kg. The R3T has a weight/power ratio of 4 kg/hp, the R3Cs 4,7 kg/hp (Renault) – 4,3 kg/hp (Honda) and the R2B 5,4 kg/hp so the performance is in descending order, R3, R2 and R1.
In fact I don’t know what’s the difference between a R2C and a R3C. They have both same displacement, same min weight and by the specific regulations same tuning regulations.“Don’t eat the yellow snow” Frank Zappa
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28th March 2009, 06:57 #16
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Originally Posted by OldFGive Leon a kick and tell him to get to work!
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28th March 2009, 12:12 #17
After a little late thinking 270 hp from the Peugeot 207 R3T sounds optimistic. A N4 has a 32 mm restrictor and about 280 hp and therefore 270 hp from a 1,6 l turbo engine with a 28 mm restrictor sounds quite optimistic. The power an engine produces is quite linear with the amount of air it get and using this as a base the area of a 28 mm restrictor is about 77% of the area of a 32 mm restrictor (28*28/32*32= 0,765625). 77% of 280 hp is 216 hp so a power range between 200-230 hp sounds IMO more realistic.
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28th March 2009, 17:36 #18
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ya just got'a make a group N cars complete with S2000 cars... regs need to be adjusted.. group n have the the ability to kill S2000 cars.... the stupid rules keep the group n's from getting close to winning...
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28th March 2009, 18:46 #19Originally Posted by Torsen“Don’t eat the yellow snow” Frank Zappa
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29th March 2009, 07:59 #20
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Originally Posted by OldF
Is that going to be the rule?
If that's so then the fun is over.
The old Mazda 323 made about 240 hp max but in those days it was a 40mm rule and the 1600 seemed not to mind it as much as 2,0 motors.
But remember as always, what gets in thru the restrictor is one thing, what the motor does after (cams, compression ratio) is another and what the gearbox and axle ratios do to multiply torque is yet another.John Vanlandingham
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