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[stefanvv]

no because all cars were running under same rules.

Really? Did they had any restrictors?

and some others are nostalgic about volvos and rwd escorts.So what?

These are still rolling the rallies around Europe. The point is there is a place for every fan or whatsoever. Some prefer Porcshes, some prefer R2 & R1 and whatsoever.

[stefanvv]

try to find out.

I thought I knew, but modern times are confusing me a lot. For sure any kind of restriction wasn't a concern in 1911.

[Rally Power]

i ve drive plenty of 911s,but no i dont have seen at rallies. But will not impress me a slower car at corners,that take advantage at straights.

You’re luckier than me; I’ve only driven an old SC a couple of times (with the owner shouting to slow down) but since ’08 or ’09 I’ve been able to attend some of the Spanish champ rounds on the beautiful Galiza region and believe me, modern 911’s cars are great to watch on a rally and their top drivers are much more than “drag racers”.

To be frank, the first time I was a bit shocked to see those bulky machines running on such narrow roads (there was also a 360 GT…) and the spectator’s reaction seemed a bit hysterical, but year after year one get to know what drivers really can take all from those magnificent cars and how entertaining they can be on a rally stage.

I won’t exaggerate like rallyes.net guys titled about last Spanish event “The Porsche’s have comeback; the spectacle has comeback”, because in every category there are great drivers delivering amazing performances (like in R2), but there’s no doubt Gt’s are a plus in tarmac rallys and their top drivers should be praised as all the others.

Videos don’t make justice, but take a look at Ares 911 (0:04 and 5:07) on this nice video from Bunnings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JqvrqEW12Q

[stefanvv]

because in every category there are great drivers delivering amazing performances (like in R2)

I agree, You can see great driving in every category allowed. I also don't see a point arguing between (R)GT & R5 classes, these are just different classes in rally as any other, be it R(N) or not. If some category has its supporters, then why not? It just promotes rally as a motorsport, is it not?

[Mirek]

Really? Did they had any restrictors?

What kind of argument is that? All gr.B cars run under same rules. It doesn't matter what exactly was in that rules if those rules were same for all.

Here we are arguaing that according to You or some other members it is unfair when R5 car run with huge 32 mm restrictor against poor GT cars whose tiny restrictor has only 42 mm diameter. How incredibly unfair from R5 cars to have as much as 58% of restrictor size of Spanish GT cars. According to Rally Power that is unfair as those Spanish GT cars can't compete with R5 cars.

These are still rolling the rallies around Europe. The point is there is a place for every fan or whatsoever. Some prefer Porcshes, some prefer R2 & R1 and whatsoever.

And some prefer fair competition. Simple as that.

[stefanvv]

What kind of argument is that? All gr.B cars run under same rules. It doesn't matter what exactly was in that rules if those rules were same for all.

How then You compare Lancia 037, AUDI Quattro and Peugeot 205. Which rules make them equal?

Here we are arguaing that according to You or some other members it is unfair when R5 car run with huge 32 mm restrictor against poor GT cars whose tiny restrictor has only 42 mm diameter. How incredibly unfair from R5 cars to have as much as 58% of restrictor size of Spanish GT cars. According to Rally Power that is unfair as those Spanish GT cars can't compete with R5 cars.

Don't be angry, I just point out every class has its supporters.

And some prefer fair competition. Simple as that.

How fair is R1 vs R5 competition, are You serious?

[Mirek]

How then You compare Lancia 037, AUDI Quattro and Peugeot 205. Which rules make them equal?

Gr.B rules. All of those cars were built under SAME rules. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Don't be angry, I just point out every class has its supporters.

OK. Let's say I am a fan of R3 cars. Now tell me why I can't get 40 mm restrictor for my DS3 R3? I'm pretty sure I could defeat R5 cars on dry asphalt with that.

How fair is R1 vs R5 competition, are You serious?

Completely irrelevant and pointless example. Try harder.

[stefanvv]

Gr.B rules. All of those cars were built under SAME rules. Feel free to prove me wrong.

And what are the common rules that should make R5 and GT cars equal. Aren't these completely different classes (Which makes Gr. B the most free class ever made).

OK. Let's say I am a fan of R3 cars. Now tell me why I can't get 40 mm restrictor for my DS3 R3? I'm pretty sure I could defeat R5 cars on dry asphalt with that.

That just points out classes difference, what of it?

Completely irrelevant and pointless example. Try harder.

Oh yes it is relevant. I'm not fighting GT vs R5 war. It is just a simple example of different rally classes, may be little bit extreme, but still relevant to my posts.

[Mirek]

And what are the common rules that should make R5 and GT cars equal. Aren't these completely different classes (Which makes Gr. B the most free class ever made).

I won't continue this gymnastics You show here. You wrote a nonsense, I pointed it was nonsense. Period. Everyone can read the discussion. Don't try to twist it.

That just points out classes difference, what of it?

Since when is any class allowed to have 100 Hp more than the top class? Show me any kind of motorsport where any private class is allowed 100 Hp more than the best works cars and where its fans still cry that it's not enough. This is exactly the case of GTs.

Oh yes it is relevant. I'm not fighting GT vs R5 war. It is just a simple example of different rally classes, may be little bit extreme, but still relevant....

No, it was irrelevant nonsense.

[stefanvv]

I won't continue this gymnastics You show here. You wrote a nonsense, I pointed it was nonsense. Period. Everyone can read the discussion. Don't try to twist it.



Since when is any class allowed to have 100 Hp more than the top class? Show me any kind of motorsport where any private class is allowed 100 Hp more than the best works cars and where its fans still cry that it's not enough. This is exactly the case of GTs.



No, it was irrelevant nonsense.

It is You started this discussion, I already knew it is pointless, but here we are.
Anyway I don't agree with Your points. You enjoy R5, I enjoy diversity, isn't it personal choice?