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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Would be good to see Meeke and Mikkelsen in same rally, in same spec car.
    I like both drivers and I would love to see them both in Citoren. The ewrc-results statistics show this,

    Kris Meeke Starts total: 157
    Number of retirements 53 (33,8)
    Andreas Mikkelsen Starts total: 176
    Number of retirements: 35 (19,9)

    I like both drivers and I would love to see them both in Citroen.

    I had a former boss who always said "statistics do not say nothing"
    Last edited by olemann; 17th July 2017 at 20:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Would be good to see Meeke and Mikkelsen in same rally, in same spec car.
    Like Sardegna?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jparker View Post
    In short, I believe both Mikkelsen and Meeke are experienced and fast drivers, but in current situation with Citroen, it's pointless to compare and judge them.
    Good. That sums it up. So let's all stop this pointless thread.

    Maybe I should start one about co-drivers and which ones deserve seats more? That would probably be more interesting than what this thread has become.

    He deserved a drive, he got one and it shows just how hard it is to perform at this level. Enough...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jparker View Post
    I'm sorry, but you are the one bringing Meeke in this discusson. That's why my reply will answe it. While Meeke wants to shine, Mikkelsen is geting his job more seriously. You can continue implying Mikkelsen is not fast (and that's true), but neither him or Citroen care abot that too much at the moment. It's fare to say that for only 2 events Mikkelsen has been more valuble for the team than Meeke for half a season.
    In contrast, Meeke has been focusing on his speed, and criticizing his car over and over. Yes, that's probably the case, but this is something other drivers don't usually do. They accept that they are slow, and get involved in the effort to fix this.
    In short, I believe both Mikkelsen and Meeke are experienced and fast drivers, but in current situation with Citroen, it's pointless to compare and judge them.
    Mikkelson is driving himself out of a job. If you seriously think his performances were worthy of a full time job offer, i doubt it. Maybe he just cant explain how he likes the car setup? He didnt need to a VW, now he is lost. I think if you ask anyone at Citroen whose input has been more valuation it would not be Mikkelson. You blame Meeke for focusing on speed, and criticising the car... Nobody would listen to Meeke, now everyone knows he was right.. a fair proportion of the blame lies with the car.... because the Handsome one was supposed to win Sardina (becasue of his road position), and finish on the podium in Poland. Meeke is also at a different stage of his career.. whereby he has 2/3 years left at top, and was promised, and the team convinced him, they had a good car, but inherently its not, well as least not versatile, while Mikkelson, even with more WRC starts, still has 10 years to hang about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrc2017 View Post
    Mikkelson....Mikkelson..... Mikkelson....
    Do you have some kind of mental disability ??
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    NOT really
    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    Do you have some kind of mental disability ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrc2017 View Post
    Nobody would listen to Meeke, now everyone knows he was right.. a fair proportion of the blame lies with the car....
    I don't know where you're getting this. Most people here have agreed that the blame is split for Citroen's situation. You and a couple others keep bringing the same thing up.

    Also, you're not going to be respected here if you can't be bothered to write the correct names of the drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AL14 View Post
    I think this Mikkelsen issue is showing us how tight is actually the difference between perfoming well and not performing well in WRC.
    Andreas Mikkelsen is one of the fastest drivers in the field. No doubts. He has won rallies and set fastest times. He is fast and consistent.

    Btw I also agree there are not many excuses in what he is doing in citroen.

    I think that actually a driver is not just fast or good. A driver can be the best in the universe under certain circumstances, and the worst under others. Everyone of them is different. Just look at Neuville. He was crashing all the time since one year ago. Then Hyundai changed his engineer and he has became WDC material.
    Yes they also made the new i20 which should be better than other cars but how come that Paddon and Sordo are not 2nd and 3rd in the WDC ranking?

    Look at Ogier. We all agree he is the best but he is struggling a lil bit with Fiesta while his teammate Tanak is doing his best season so far with the same car.
    The fact is that even a little change can revolutionize the situation.

    So we can continue to argue if Mikkelsen is good driver or not. Or we can analyze a little bit deeper and try to understand what is making him slower than usual with Citroen.
    Agree 100%.

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    Great post from Marcco. It's what makes this year so very interesting and exciting. It's nice to see new machinery and see how everyone is evolving with the new cars and teams. Most of my friends and me included lost interest in the WRC, but this year has been extremely entertaining. I'm trying to get everyone back on board. I had a few friends who were die-hard fans at one point and had no clue about the 2017 beasts sine they went completely offline when it came to rally.

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