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2nd November 2008, 19:18 #11
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oh, hell.
can't someone just win and someone just lose the championship around here?
there's been enough of this rot all year.
if you're not aware enough to see that both toyotas were on slicks (and i even predicted to my GP buddies, when everyone pitted, that toyota or bmw were most likely to stay out), then don't bother commenting.
it rained hard at one end of the circuit. he had no grip. his lap time on the last lap was comparable to his team mate's, also on dry tyres.
sometimes, it happens that way.
he did well to finish sixth because, if you examine it, he lost a further six or seven seconds on the straight sprint from there to the flag, so almost half the slower lap time you're talking about happened after hamilton overtook him.
if you want an inquiry, you could also ask what the lapped BMW was doing joining the fight for fifth between hamilton and vettel, but that wouldn't suit the argument, would it?the wise man does at once what the fool does finally - macchiavelli
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2nd November 2008, 19:19 #12
Suspicious move, but everyone was fine with Kimi moving over the other week, why should it matter if it's a different team?
Glock was certainly slow all the way up the hill so might have had a problem but the only thing we can do is wait for the official word from Toyota.You're so beige, you probably think this signature is about someone else.
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2nd November 2008, 19:20 #13
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Originally Posted by bowers
Obviously Toyota are worried about the credit crunch and are looking to sell everything to Mercedes and retire from f1. That would explain it
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2nd November 2008, 19:24 #14
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Originally Posted by bowers
why in the world would Toyota ever even consider accepting a bribe, even if you entertain the thought that one was offered.
i suggest you check the splits on the last lap, and the fact that it was soaking and dark by the time the cars got round the slowing down lap"I" before "E" except after "C". Weird.
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2nd November 2008, 19:28 #15
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Trulli, as has been said, also slowed on the last lap and lost a place. Glock's last lap was 1:44.731 (sector 1: 24.8/s2: 54.7/s3:25.0); Trulli's last lap was 1:44.800 (s1: 26.1/s2: 55.7/s3: 22.8)
Both Toyotas, indeed, ended up.... still where they would have been or better than if they had stopped for wet tyres. (Trulli ended up where he would have been, Glock was one place better). It may not have looked like it, but they still won the gamble even with their shocking final laps.
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2nd November 2008, 19:29 #16
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And the CIA shot John F Kennedy.
Good grief. Charlie Brown.
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2nd November 2008, 19:29 #17
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Ferrari paid off Glock. They had money ready to pay off stewards, etc. and in all the confusion at the end they paid the wrong guy. Looks good on 'em.
It's show time, maybe. :smokin:
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2nd November 2008, 19:30 #18
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Originally Posted by Mickey T
Also Kubica joining the battle hampered Vettel way more than Hamilton as he actually fought with Vettel and casually strolled past Hamilton in an attempt to get his lap back (you know incase the safety car came out it would make a lot of sense to do that), but that is an absolute non-issue so why you're even bringing it up confuses me.-Salut Gilles -Sebastien Loeb = Best Living Driver
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2nd November 2008, 19:31 #19
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Originally Posted by Mickey T" Lady - I'm in an awful dilemma.
Moe - Yeah, I never cared much for these foreign cars either."
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Originally Posted by Mickey TRule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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