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9th February 2009, 22:06 #1
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Italian woman in right-to-die debate dies
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7880070.stm
In July, a court in Milan ruled that doctors had proved Ms Englaro's coma was irreversible. It also accepted that, before the accident, she had expressed a preference for dying over being kept alive artificially.
So why should the government insist that she be kept alive? If that was her wish, then they SHOULD respect it.the big print giveth the small print taketh
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9th February 2009, 22:38 #2
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According to the article she has been in a vegetative state since 1992
That means at the age of 21 she had already made a decision to not resuscitate
Was that standard operating procedure in Italy in 1992!
Who said she made this request?
And I'm not saying that she didn't!
Without this info it sounds to me like a political spitting match!
BTW--- "The Vatican, which had described the decision to let Ms Englaro die as "abominable", asked for God's forgiveness for those responsible."
Best backhanded blessing I've heard in awhileMay the forza be with you
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9th February 2009, 22:51 #3
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Her father, who has been fighting for her right to be disconnected from artificial life support for the last 10 years, said she made this request.
As for Berlusconi and the state of Italian politics - separation of executive, legislative, judicial (and eclesiastical ) powers-... no comment
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9th February 2009, 23:59 #4
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Originally Posted by donKey jote
"That's just plain sad"
When my son had his spinal cord injury my biggest concern was whether or not he would have the will to live as a Quadriplegic.
Although he's made a lot of progress, and may yet get enough dexterity to operate a hand controlled Van,
his window of opportunity is closing on being able to walk. I encourage him to keep up the exercise program
because a neurological breakthrough is fast approaching.
However if the original diagnosis of being a ventilator dependant Quad did end up being correct,
I would honor his wish and off him myself he could convince me that he was too miserable to carry on!
Thank God I don'tMay the forza be with you
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10th February 2009, 07:16 #5
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Details are sparce still but we have a husband charged in Thunder Bay Ont. with assisting a suicide and criminal negligence causing death.
People have been charged with assisting suicide before in Canada but a jury has always found them not guilty despite there been no question that they did help.
The criminal negligence is a new charge for this type of case.
No details of the 'why' are available yet. Always before it has been health, usually advancing dehabilitating disease with no hope or cure.
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10th February 2009, 07:22 #6
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The euthanasia issue is very sensible and I can understand the reasons of both camps.
The only thing that keeps a question mark in my head is what happens in the mind of the person who is in charge to remove the feeding tubes.
Even if a law would permit it and if you're aware that you cut the patient's agony and the family anguish what happens with your conscience? Deep in your soul don't you feel that you're acting like a murderer? Is the purpose of the act enough to empower you to take a life?
P.S. I have the same doubts about people who are in charge to take a life in the countries where the death punishment wasn't abolished.
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10th February 2009, 23:53 #7
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Originally Posted by Tazio
But this is a case where political bickering has taken the front role. Eluana was not able to actively convince her father about anything anymore. She had no cognitive function - that's what I meant about artificial life support.
I don't know what I'd do if I found myself in his situation and I hope I'll never know. Above all, I believe that these decisions should be a private matter between the closest family and the doctors, and that people like Berlusconi and the Vatican should have no place in taking them.
I think therefore I am. If I were to lose the ability to think, let my closest relatives decide for me when to mourn my going. Nobody else.United in diversity !!!
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11th February 2009, 03:54 #8
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Originally Posted by donKey jote
Of course this is political. Thus the joke about the benevolence of the church with their backhanded blessing!
Originally Posted by donKey jote
A phrase The Existentialists really ran with.
Have you read "The Wall" by Jean Paul Satre?
It’s setting is your Spanish Revolution
I highly recommend it!
Peace,
BroMay the forza be with you
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11th February 2009, 09:44 #9
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Originally Posted by steve_spackman
I don`t agree with it, but that is how courts view it."signature room for rent"
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11th February 2009, 20:55 #10
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Originally Posted by Tazio
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