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24th September 2008, 14:49 #21
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There needs to be some form of diversity for the series to be interesting. I'm so old I can remember when they allowed turbos and NA engines and set a displacemment limit for each which roughly made them equal but still different enough to make it interesting. The NA cars got off the corners faster and the turbos had greater top end. Drivers would sometimes pass another car!
Likewise, a rev limit makes sure almost every engine makes it to the end of the race, regardless how much the driver abuses it.
Safety is very important so perhaps a standard tub would be necessary, but all of the other bolt on bits should be wide open.
I don't know about you but spec racer fords are fun for the drivers but a yawn to the spectators and fans.God bless the whole World.
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24th September 2008, 15:58 #22
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[quote="PA Rick"]There needs to be some form of diversity for the series to be interesting. I'm so old I can remember when they allowed turbos and NA engines and set a displacemment limit for each which roughly made them equal but still different enough to make it interesting. The NA cars got off the corners faster and the turbos had greater top end. Drivers would sometimes pass another car!
Likewise, a rev limit makes sure almost every engine makes it to the end of the race, regardless how much the driver abuses it.
[/QUOTEAnd a rev limiter eliminates that situation as it prevents an engine from being tuned to the best of its natural power curve.
One cannot have his cake and eat it too.
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24th September 2008, 18:24 #23
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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Personally, I think air restrictors have turned out to be a pretty good method for equalizing performance among different kinds of engines, but rev limits are the most powerful tool for keeping costs down.
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24th September 2008, 18:49 #24
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I think the long off-season is the biggest threat to the future of AOWR
We have way to much time to discuss engine and chassis rules and general philosophy of AOWR.....
not that I do not thoroughly enjoy these topics but they seem to be making more enemies than friends.....
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24th September 2008, 19:26 #25
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Originally Posted by Miatanut
Everyone else QUIT, because they could not spend that amount.
Ditto Audi, with the old V-8.
Boy that will really help the series
GARRA has other limits and is not very popular, outside of Daytona becasue it is boring sameness.
Every one drones around at the same apprx. speed, IF you chose the engine that works best under the rules, and in open wheel racing that would/will soon lead back to a one make series not much better than any SCCA spec.series.
Plus, as they are using four-bangers, it will sound like Formula Fords, or maybe Super Vee.
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24th September 2008, 19:37 #26
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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
That's racing.
Restrictors seem to work very well in F3 and ALMS.
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24th September 2008, 19:43 #27
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Originally Posted by Miatanut
(I.E. the asinine oft quoted "spirit" of the rules. Penske's p2 Porsche is the most GLARING example)
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24th September 2008, 22:07 #28
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HUH?
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Are you a NASCAR fan?God bless the whole World.
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24th September 2008, 23:48 #29
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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
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25th September 2008, 16:04 #30
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Originally Posted by Miatanut
P2 was SUPPOSED to be for the lowly privateers, NOT a semi-factory team.
Now that the IMSA has changed the rules that allowed Penske to win, he is quitting the class.
As I said, he CHEATED the SPIRIT of the rules.
If you read some of the sports car forums, there was a LOT of whining about how it was UNFAIR, he cheated, he did not follow the SPIRIT of the rules.
Same with GT1, the asinine ACO did not think, anyone would spend millions for special parts for the GT class, they ASSUMED their precious p1 would be the place they did that.
THEY were wrong, Chevy cheated the rules and no one game a damn about p1 outside of Audi, SO until Penske cheated the rules in his manner, all we had were p1 and GT1 parades.
Well that problem has been addressed so GT1 seems to be going bye-bye and parades will return to p1 and p2.
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