Rally History (part III)

[januszsz]

I cannot answer that because I don't know the latter one.
Heinrich's full name was Heinrich Karl Gabriel Graf (= Count) von der Mühle-Eckart auf Leonberg.
No "Friedrich" in his name AFAIK.

Thank you for explanation. It looks it was a wrong information as even the date (year) of his (Friedrich's) birth was similar to Heinrich's. Heinrich von der Mühle in his Hanomag was 16th overall 5th in class 1100-1500ccm in 11th Poland Rally (those times it was called Miedzynarodowy Raid Automobilklubu Polski o Grand Prix Polski = International Rally of Poland's Automolile Club for Grand Prix of Poland).
Certain Baroness Katharina von Falkenhausen was born in 1909 as Countness Katharina von dr Mühle. Was she older sister of Heinrich or a cousin?
By the way: wat does it mean "AFAIK"?
Regards
januszsz

[Carles Bosch 02]

Thank you for explanation. It looks it was a wrong information as even the date (year) of his (Friedrich's) birth was similar to Heinrich's. Heinrich von der Mühle in his Hanomag was 16th overall 5th in class 1100-1500ccm in 11th Poland Rally (those times it was called Miedzynarodowy Raid Automobilklubu Polski o Grand Prix Polski = International Rally of Poland's Automolile Club for Grand Prix of Poland).
Certain Baroness Katharina von Falkenhausen was born in 1909 as Countness Katharina von dr Mühle. Was she older sister of Heinrich or a cousin?
By the way: wat does it mean "AFAIK"?
Regards
januszsz

januszsz,

in my database i've not found either trace of a Friedrich von der Mühle, only Heinrich von der Mühle as ReWind has stated.

On Baroness Katharina von Falkenhausen, must be the same Kitty von Falkenhausen wife of racing/rally driver Baron Alex von Falkenhausen, I suppose.

AFAIK as usen mainly in forums is the short form of 'as far as I know'.


Carles.

[januszsz]

januszsz,

in my database i've not found either trace of a Friedrich von der Mühle, only Heinrich von der Mühle as ReWind has stated.

On Baroness Katharina von Falkenhausen, must be the same Kitty von Falkenhausen wife of racing/rally driver Baron Alex von Falkenhausen, I suppose.

AFAIK as usen mainly in forums is the short form of 'as far as I know'.


Carles.

Thank you Carlles for explanation. I can't learn those net tricks.
regards
januszsz

[ReWind]

Just to confirm:
Katharina "Kitty" von Falkenhausen is indeed a sister of Heinrich von der Mühle-Eckart. In April 1934 she married Alexander von Falkenhausen (of later AFM fame). It seems she is still alive at 99 years!

[jrally]

Dario, here you'll find what I can add.


'67 Charbonnières (4th to 10th):

4th, Jean-Pierre Gaban & Jean-Marie Jacquemin, Porsche 911S
5th, Bob Neyret & Jacques Terramorsi, Citroën DS 21
6th, Jean-Claude Ogier & Lucette Pointet, Citroën DS 21
7th, René Trautmann & Philippe Leyssieux, Lancia Fulvia Coupé Rallye HF
8th, Patrick Lier & Silvio Vaglio, Sunbeam Imp
9th, Fernand Schligler & Georges Couzian, Renault 8 Gordini
10th, Sylvain Garant & Branco Stoikovitch, Porsche 911


'67 RACE (10th):

10th, Henri Gréder & Marie-Claude Beaumont, Opel Commodore GS


'79 Acropolis (14th & 15th)

14th, Ohu & Diener, Lada 1600, 17h37'17"
15th, Gemenis & El Nak, Datsun 1600 SSS, 17h5012"


Carles.

One question, Carles !
Do You know the first name of Pierre Hanrioud's co-driver, Foucher ?

And are you sure that René Trautmann's co-driver first name is Philippe ?

Thanks
Regards
jorge

[jrally]

16th should be Heimburger (there above is a spell mistake) and in 1976 co-driver in 11th was Serge Roch not Ross.
I have Claudine Trautmann in 11th (1976) and Dimi44 suggest it was Henri. Anybody can solve the problem?
By the way Dimi are you able to add some Greek first names? Do you have entry or starting lists?
Regards
januszsz

Janusz, first name is Henri which I think was the son of René !

Regards
jorge

[jrally]

Thank you Carles,
Would you add time and car's group of the RACE'73 winner as well as times and car's groups of top 3 for RACE'72?
In 1972 10th was Finland's Johan Wiklund, sorry I don't know first name of his co-driver.
I have still some more questions on Spanish ERC rounds. I'll prepare them soon.
Regards
janusz

First name of Wiklund was Anders !

Regards
jorge

[jrally]

I don't have here the spanish magazines for this period, only to 1973. As soon as I can I'll post here the results missing.

Comyn's first name, if my memory serves me right, is Alfonso.


Carles.

Carles,
First name of Comyn is Ricardo !

Saludos
Jorge

[Carles Bosch 02]

One question, Carles !
Do You know the first name of Pierre Hanrioud's co-driver, Foucher ?

And are you sure that René Trautmann's co-driver first name is Philippe ?

Thanks
Regards
jorge

Hi, Jorge,

on Foucher in my database i've only X. Foucher.

There's a guy newly-registered in 'Forum-Auto' whose nick I don't remember now, that seems having first-hand information on the Trautmanns and he maintains that the first name of Leyssieux is Philippe.

Regards,

Carles.

[Carles Bosch 02]

Carles,
First name of Comyn is Ricardo !

Saludos
Jorge

Of course, you're right, Jorge!

Alfonso Comyn is the owner of a well-known shop in Barcelona of racing & rally accessoires.

Pradera's codriver Comyn's first name was Ricardo.


Carles.

My memory was playing tricks with me...