Rally History (part III)

[jrally]

H' ACROPOLIS RALLY 1960 Results

3.No 92.W.LEVY / H.WALTER Auto Union 1000
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8.No 7.Dr. HELMUT BUSCH / ZIMMERMAN Porsche 1600

Rgds
Dimitris

Thank You very much, Dimitris !

3 persons, 3 different co-drivers !!!

Best regards
jorge

[jrally]

One question which is history now ....

Does someone where I can find the final complete results of Rallyes Yalta and Georgia of this year ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

[januszsz]

One question which is history now ....

Does someone where I can find the final complete results of Rallyes Yalta and Georgia of this year ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

Jo, are you sure that Georgia Rally was held? I am afraid there was only armoured brigades rally on Georgia and it was won by Red Army
Regards
Janusz

[jrally]

Jo, are you sure that Georgia Rally was held? I am afraid there was only armoured brigades rally on Georgia and it was won by Red Army
Regards
Janusz

I think You are right, Janusz !
But as I see it on FIA events list (which is actualized) I wanted to be sure !

And what about Yalta ? They have a english part of the site but they allways forget to publish the final classification .... I try all the items in cirilic but I'm not able to find them .....

To the organizers if they read this .....
Is it so difficult to publish the classification in the english part of the site ?!?!

Best regards
jorge

[RiN]

One question,

Who co-drove Carl Schindler in Austria 66 ?

Thanks
jorge

The German quarterly magazine MOTOR REVUE gives Naber as Schindler's co-driver. BUT, I for one, do not think they were among the first ten, although I have a source, MOTORÅRET, which says so.
In Martin Pfundner's book DIE ALPENFAHRT 1910-1970, which I have found very reliable, the author says on page 145:

'Grosse Anerkennung verdient auch der kleine Skoda 1000 MB, der mit den Fahrern Václav Bobek jun. / V.Rieger auf dem 7. und Oldrich Horsák / Miroslav Fousek auf dem 10. Platz der Gesamtwertung landete.'

The class-results given in MOTOR REVUE correspond with this a long way, as there would have been at least two other cars placed above Schindler / Naber.
So this is what I believe is correct, but prove me wrong, and I'll bite the dust :-)

1.Paddy Hopkirk / Ron Crellin 0 2500,00
2.Gunter Wallrabenstein / Ernst Otto Müller 0 2447,41
3.Alfred Burkhardt / Otto Koch-Bodes 0 2218,87
4.Herbert Kleint / Günther Klapproth 1 2102,30
5-E.Buchbauer-Geri Brandstetter 2 2115,97
6-Helmuth Klomfart-Ernst Marquart 3 2170,16
7-Václav Bobek-Vojtech Rieger 3 2114,72
8-Gernot Fischer-Franz Mauerhofer 5 2322,83
9-Alois Wiener-Antonie Wiener 6 2330,44 or 2282,83
10-Oldrich Horsak / Miroslav Fousek ???

König / Thaler 6 2249,71
Lieskonig / Hörmann 7 2037,73
Schindler / Naber 8 2379,95

Tom

[jrally]

Thanks Tom,

when we think that we have accurate results there it comes another classification. But that's also why these things are interesting and funny ! Because we have to restart again all the researchs.

The problem is allways 'What source should I trust ? "
For instance, regarding Tulipen 67 you've trust MOTORÅRET but in this You trust more in MOTOR REVUE.

Sometimes we found a result in a magazine and because we don't have another alternative source we allways claim 'That's the correct one' and we told everyone that ... but many times it isn't ...

I think results from 50 and 60 are a little bit like that !

Best regards
jorge

[RiN]

Thanks Tom,

when we think that we have accurate results there it comes another classification. But that's also why these things are interesting and funny ! Because we have to restart again all the researchs.

The problem is allways 'What source should I trust ? "
For instance, regarding Tulipen 67 you've trust MOTORÅRET but in this You trust more in MOTOR REVUE.

Sometimes we found a result in a magazine and because we don't have another alternative source we allways claim 'That's the correct one' and we told everyone that ... but many times it isn't ...

I think results from 50 and 60 are a little bit like that !

Best regards
jorge

True.
Regarding reliable sources, after reseraching for a while, you get a feeling of who/what to trust. But when you've got three different sources where there's no indication that they have copied each other, and two of them fits in with each other, you tend to belive that's right, although it's no proof.

It seems like it's only a handful of us here that's interested in this '50/'60's stuff. Maybe we should pool our findings, and where there's differences we could discuss our respective sources and maybe end up with the most likely result. If not all, at least some problems could be ironed out that way.


Tom

[januszsz]

I am looking for a list of Swedish Rally Champions of 50's (was it held in 50's?) and then of 60's and 70's. Anybody can help me? (more result than just the winners wellcomed).
Regards
Janusz

[RiN]

I am looking for a list of Swedish Rally Champions of 50's (was it held in 50's?) and then of 60's and 70's. Anybody can help me? (more result than just the winners wellcomed).
Regards
Janusz

1965:

1. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina GT/Lotus 29
2. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 27
3. Lars-Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 25
4. Björn Waldegård, VW 1500/1600 24
5. Harry Källström, BMC Cooper 21
6. Ove Andersson, Saab Sport 20
7. Berndt Jansson, Renault Gordini 20
8. Åke Andersson, Saab Sport 18
9. Lars Krall, BMC Cooper 17
10.Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 14


1966:

Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Rekord 43
2. Anders Gullberg, Opel Rekord 35
3. Lars-Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 30
4. Leif Nilsson, VW 1600 28
5. Bertil Söderström, Opel Rekord 24
6. Ryno Larsson, Opel Kadett 21
7. Jan Henriksson, Opel Kadett 21
8. Bo Johansson, VW 1600 20
=. Carl Carlsson, Opel Rekord 20
10.Bengt Karlsson, VW 1600 15


Gr.2:
1. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 43
2. Åke Andersson, Saab Sport 40
3. Carl Orrenius, Saab Sport 35
4. Håkan Lindberg, Renault Gordini 26
5. Harry Källström, BMC Cooper 24
=. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina Lotus 24
7. Ove Andersson, Ford Cortina Lotus 22
8. Björn Waldegård, VW 1600 19
9. Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 18
10.Anders Sigurdsson , Saab Sport/Volvo 122S 16


Tom

[januszsz]

1965:

1. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina GT/Lotus 29
2. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 27
3. Lars-Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 25
4. Björn Waldegård, VW 1500/1600 24
5. Harry Källström, BMC Cooper 21
6. Ove Andersson, Saab Sport 20
7. Berndt Jansson, Renault Gordini 20
8. Åke Andersson, Saab Sport 18
9. Lars Krall, BMC Cooper 17
10.Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 14


1966:

Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Rekord 43
2. Anders Gullberg, Opel Rekord 35
3. Lars-Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 30
4. Leif Nilsson, VW 1600 28
5. Bertil Söderström, Opel Rekord 24
6. Ryno Larsson, Opel Kadett 21
7. Jan Henriksson, Opel Kadett 21
8. Bo Johansson, VW 1600 20
=. Carl Carlsson, Opel Rekord 20
10.Bengt Karlsson, VW 1600 15


Gr.2:
1. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 43
2. Åke Andersson, Saab Sport 40
3. Carl Orrenius, Saab Sport 35
4. Håkan Lindberg, Renault Gordini 26
5. Harry Källström, BMC Cooper 24
=. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina Lotus 24
7. Ove Andersson, Ford Cortina Lotus 22
8. Björn Waldegård, VW 1600 19
9. Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 18
10.Anders Sigurdsson , Saab Sport/Volvo 122S 16


Tom

Thank you Tom. I didn't dream top 10 is possible to get. It is interesting if other champions of 60's and 70's are available?
Regards
Janusz