Rally History (part III)

[Steve Boyd]

If the car could not compete could it have been used as a course car? If it had been a '0' car it would have had to pass safety checks before the start & may have been issued with a scrutineering sticker, but I'm not sure whether use of a car inelligible for competition would have been permitted as a course car.

[MG Rally]

Good morning Steve,

There are some very valid points you have raised there!...

I am unsure of the legalities of using a banned Group A car as course car, or your point of whether it would actually need scrutineering at all. I suppose the more you think about the latter, then the more it would make sense to scrutineer the car in question.

What I cannot understand though is that nobody - not only on this forum, but also assorted dedicated Belgian and French rally forums! - hasn't got a 1988 entry list or any photos of the car?

There are plenty of photos of Snijers winning M3 from that year - although I appreciate that a privateer in a aged Rover is somewhat different to a Belgian hero in a state-of-the-art Group A car! It just seems strange that all I can find is the above sticker on the actual car and nothing else.

Has anybody even got any 1988 Belgian rally books with the entry list or event report inside?

Many thanks for your input,

David

[cvhi]

I search entry list about MANX Rally 1977, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1984, perhaps someone help me ?

Thank you very much
mlanders@orange.fr

[januszsz]

Donau 1982
2. Valo Soots – Toomas Putmaker SU Lada-1600 14202p.
3. Nikolai Bolsih – Igor Bolsih SU Lada-1600 14264p.
4. Stoyan Kolev – Boyko Ignatov BG Renault-5Alpine 14449p.
5. Vaclav Pech – Jiri Janecek CS Skoda-130RS 14526p.
6. Georgi Petrov/Ivan Tonev-BG-R5 Alpine 14589p
7. Tomasz Ciecierzynski/Ryszard Zyszkowski-PL-Polonez 2000 14848p
8. Andrzej Koper/Wlodzimierz Krzeminski-PL-R5 Alpine 14936p
9. László Szuhanyik – Tibor Hóman H Lada-1600 15049p
10. Gheorghe Urdea/Dacian Banca-RO-Dacia 1300 15319p
regards
Janusz

[RobertS]

Donau 1982
Valo Soots –

Vallo
http://www.rally.ee/?a=a030&b=217

[januszsz]

Jänner : 4-10
4. Rudi Stohl/Kurt Modlhammer-A-Lada 1600
5. Walter Egger/? Koller-A-Golf GTI
6. Shekhar Mehta/Yvonne Mehta-EAK-Datsun 160J
7. Jurgen? Freisler/Monica Eckhardt-D-911SC
8. F. Besenbeck/W. Besenbeck-?-Escort RS
9. ? Six/? Grabner-?-Escort RS
10. Walter Osterer/Wolfgang? Seifreid-A-Escort RS
Arctic : 3-10
3. Mika Arpiainen/Timo Hantunen-FIN-Escort RS
4. Timo Makela/Kalevi Paive-FIN-Sunbeam Lotus
5. Kalevi Aho/Carl-Johan Wolff-FIN-Escort RS
6. Jouni Kinnunen/Esko Hokkanen-FIN-Escort RS
7. Hannu Valtaharju/ ? Piirto-FIN-Escort RS
8. Harri Vaananen/Timo Tuominen-FIN-Escort RS
9. Harri Uotila/Timi Leino-FIN-Escort RS
10. Mika Sillankorva/Juhani Nieminen-FIN-Escort RS
Galway : 2-10
2. Gerry Buckley/John Caplice-IRL-Ascona 400
3. John Coyne/Christy Farrell-IRL-Sunbeam Lotus
4. Brendan Fagan/? Johnson-IRL/?-Chevette HSR
5. Austin McHale/John McGee-IRL-Chevette HSR
6. ? Henry/Ronan McNamee-?-Escort RS
7. ? Fitzgerald/?Whyte-?-Chevette HSR
8. Vincent Bonner/Michael Bonner-?-Escort RS
9. Noel Smith/Ian Turkington-GB-911SC
10. ? McCauley/? Robinson-?-Chevette HS
Sachs Winter : 2-10
2. Manfred Hero/Dietmar Muller-D-911SC
3. Jens Ole Kristiansen/Fred Hartwigsen-DK-Ascona 400
4. Rolf Petersen/Andre Bockelmann-D-Escort RS1800
5. Michael Werner/Egon Meurer-D-Taunus XR6
6. Erwin Weber/Matthias Berg-D-Ascona
7. Harald Demuth/Arwed Fischer-D-Quattro
8. Norbert Brauer/? Eugel-D-Golf GTI
9. Friedhelm Kissel/Reinhard Michel-D-Golf GTI
10. ? Nies/? Siems-?-Quattro
Hankiralli : 4-10
4. Harri Uotila/Timi Leino-FIN-Escort RS
5. Jouni Kinnunen/Esko Hokkanen-FIN-Escort RS
6. Harri Vaananen/Timo Tuominen-FIN-Escort RS
7. Hannu Valtaharju/ ? Piirto-FIN-Escort RS
8. Hannu Temonen/? Tarkkala-FIN-Escort RS
9. Olli Mertsalmi/Juhani Nieminen-FIN-Escort RS
10. Teemu Tahko/Erkki Tahko-FIN-Ascona
Garrigues : 4-10
4. Bernard Beguin/Jean-Francois Fauchille-F-911SC
5. Francois Chatriot/Annick Peuvergne-F-R5 Turbo
6. ? Dayraut/? Austruy-?-911SC
7. Jean-Philippe Touren/? Luret-F-R5 Turbo
8. Jean-Claude Sola/? Lecorre-F-R5 Turbo
9. Jean-Sebastien Couloumies/Claudine Causse-F-Manta GT/E
10. Alain? Errani/? Giraud-F-Manta GT/E
Saarland : 2-10
2. Jochi Kleint/Gunter Wanger-D-Ascona 400
3. Holger Bohne/Adolf Ahrens-D-Escort RS1800
4. Wolfgang Rausch/Klaus Hopfe-D-Ascona 400
5. Friedhelm Kissel/Reinhard Michel-D-Golf GTI
6. Erwin Weber/Matthias Berg-D-Ascona 2000
7. Michael Werner/Egon Meurer-D-Taunus XR6
8. Flemming Laubjerg/? Witzmann-DK/?-Escort RS
9. Josef Brack/Martin Brack-D-911SC
10. ? Boudier/Guido Horsch-?/D-Kadett GT/E
Circuit of Ireland : 2-10
2. Russell Brookes/Mike Broad-GB-Chevette HSR
3. Henri Toivonen/Fred Gallagher-FIN/GB-Ascona 400
4. John Coyne/Christy Farrell-IRL-Sunbeam Lotus
5. Billy Coleman/Brendan Neville-IRL-Escort RS1800
6. Hannu Mikkola/Arne Hertz-FIN/S-Quattro
7. Ari Vatanen/Neil Wilson-FIN/GB-Escort RS1800
8. Gerry Buckley/John Caplice-IRL-Ascona 400
9. ? Henry/Ronan McNamee-?-Escort RS
10. John Price/Hugh Wylie-GB-R5 Turbo
Alpin : 6-10
6. Christian Gardavot/Colette?? Neri-F-911SC
7. Jean-Louis Le Dentu/? Abbes-F-Sunbeam Lotus
8. Jean-Sebastien Couloumies/Jean-Bernard Vieu-F-Manta GT/E
9. Tycho van Dijk/Bernard Occelli-CH/F-911SC
10. Alain Oreille/Sylvie Oreille-F-Kadett GT/E
ARBÖ : 2-10
2. Gerhard Kalnay/Ferdi Hinterleitner-A-Ascona 400
3. Georg Fischer/Michael Weinzierl-A-Ascona 400
4. Wilfried Wiedner/Franz Zehetner-A-Audi 80 Coupe
5. Werner Grissmann/Peter Vogel-A/?-Ascona 400
6. ? Waller/? Grosslhuber-?-Escort RS
7. ? Dippolt/? Endres-?-Kadett GT/E
8. ? Springer/? Kolar-?-Golf GTI
9. S. Karasek/? Kronreif-A/?-Escort RS
10. Walter Osterer/Wolfgang? Seifreid-A-Escort RS
Quattro Regioni : 5-10
5. Federico Ormezzano/Claudio Berro-I-Sunbeam Lotus
6. Gabriele Noberasco/Andrea Ulivi-I-131 Abarth
7. Malcolm Wilson/Phil Short-GB-Escort RS1800
8. Amedeo Gerbino/Alessandro Cavalleri-I-Kadett GT/E
9. ? Musti/? Fiori-I-131 Abarth
10. Antonella Mandelli/F. Maggi-I-131 Abarth
Scottish : 7-10
7. Per Eklund/David Whittock-S/GB-Celica
8. Ken Wood/? Brown-GB-TR8
9. ? Lyons/Ian McFarland-GB-Sunbeam Lotus
10. ? Lyle/? Kelly-?-Chevette HS
Hessen : 2-10
2. Harald Demuth/Arwed Fischer-D-Quattro
3. Sepp Haider/Jorg Pattermann-A-Ascona 400
4. Wolfgang Rausch/Klaus Hopfe-D-Ascona 400
5. Alfons Stock/Paul Schmuck-D-Golf GTI
6. Erwin Weber/Matthias Berg-D-Ascona
7. Manfred Hero/Dietmar Muller-D-911 Turbo
8. Holger Bohne/Adolf Ahrens-D-Escort RS1800
9. Jens Ole Kristiansen/Fred Hartwigsen-DK-Ascona 400
10. Lasse Lampi/Pentti Kuukkala-FIN-Escort RS
Ypres : 4-10
4. Jean-Louis Dumont/Lambert Peeters-B-Violet GT
5. Jan van der Marel/Bruno van Traa-NL-Sunbeam Lotus
6. Patrick Snijers/Georges van Oosten-B-BMW 323i
7. Gaby Goudezeune/Serge Messine-B-Ascona 400
8. Paul Lietaer/"Rossi"-B-Sunbeam Lotus
9. Valerie Vandermaesen/Julien Aerts-B-Ascona
10. Jean-Philippe Touren/Hennebel Lionel-F/B-R5 Turbo
Ciocco : 2-10
2. "Tony"/"Rudy"-I-Ascona 400
3. Adartico Vudafieri/Maurizio Perissinot-I-Rally 037
4. Federico Ormezzano/Claudio Berro-I-Sunbeam Lotus
5. Fabrizio Tabaton/Luciano Tedeschini-I-Stratos HF
6. Fulvio Bacchelli/Paolo Spollon-I-Rally 037
7. Michele Cinotto/Emilio Radaelli-I-Quattro
8. ? Barbero/Mario Necco-I-Rally 037
9. Carlo Capone/Luigi Pirollo-I-Ritmo Abarth
10. Amedeo Gerbino/Alessandro Cavalleri-I-Kadett GT/E
Madeira : 5-10
5. Manuel Gomes Pereira/L. Nobre-P-R5 Turbo
6. Marco Abreu/? Silva-P-Escort RS
7. Geoff Fielding/Frank Rowlands-GB-Escort RS1800
8. Antonella Mandelli/Tiziana Borghi-I-131 Abarth
9. Louise Aitken/Ellen Morgan-GB-Fiesta 1600
10. Jorge Ortigao/Luis Alegria-P-Starlet
Halkidikis : 6-10
6. "Benni"/Kostas Stefanis-GR-Stratos HF
7. Vasilis Tsobanopoulos/Ioannis Tsolakis-GR-Kadett GT/E
8. Manolis Halivelakis/Kostas Exarhos-GR-Corolla
9. ? Raptopoulos/Nikos Generalis-GR-911SC
10. ? Davaris/? Giaglis-GR-Sunny
Lucien Bianchi : 2-10
2. Simon Everett/Dany Colebunders-GB/B-Chevette HSR
3. Terry Kaby/Rob Arthur-GB-Chevette HSR
4. Jean-Louis Dumont/Lambert Peeters-B-Violet GT
5. Patrick Snijers/Georges van Oosten-B-BMW 323i
6. B. Mathon/? Desurmont-B-R5 Turbo
7. Aly Kridel/Paul Dunkel-L-Escort RS1800
8. Alain & Sylvie Oreille-F-Kadett GT/E
9. Guy Hendrickx/Jose Lareppe-B-Manta GT/E
10. J.C. Godart/J. Godart-B-Ascona 400
Cyprus : 7-10
7. Maros Shakalis/? Christodoulides-CY-104ZS
8. Tasos Gemenis/Ioannis Kepetzis-GR-160J
9. Takis Panayides/? Karalis-CY-Subaru 1600
10. Kokos Assiotis/? Andreou-CY-104ZS
Vin/Valais:2-10
2. Chris Carron/Philippe Anttile-CH-911 Turbo
3. Guy Colsoul/Alain Lopes-B-Ascona 400
4. Jean-Louis Dumont/Lamber Peeters-B-Violet GT
5. Eric Chapuis/Serge Racine-CH-911SC
6. Jean Robert Corthay/Bruno Reali-CH-911SC
7. Angelo Caverzazio/Roger Krattiger-CH-Porsche 930 Turbo
8. Erwin Keller/Ronny Hofmann-CH-Corolla
9. Reynald Menghini/? Altmann-CH-Violet
10. Michel Maye/Patrick Luisier-CH-Kadett GT/E
Antibes : 9-10
9. "Tchine"/Patricia Trivero-MC-Ascona 400
10. Pierre Latrigue/? Bougeatre-F-104ZS
Algarve : 2-10
2. Jose Pedro Borges/Rui Bevilacqua-P-Escort RS1800
3. Francisco Romaozinho/Luis Alegria-P-Visa Trophee
4. Olivier Tabatoni-Michel Cadier+F-Visa Trophee
5. Jacques Dubert-Christian Tortelli-F-104ZS
6. Inverno Amaral/Joaquim Neto-P-Visa SX
7. ? Cros/? Jalabert-F-104ZS
8. Jorge Ortigao/Joao Batista-P-Starlet
9. Jose Moreno/Antonio Pereira-P-Kadett 1,3
10. ? Cavalier/? Dehoux-?-Subaru AF5 4x4
San Marino 3-10 11-14 November
3. Dario Cerrato/Giuseppe Cerri-I-Ascona 400
4. "Iaveris"/Andreas Arkentis-GR-Ascona 400
5. Bruno Bentivogli/Sante Valbonetti Arcangeli-RSM/I-AR GTV6
6. Franco Corradin/Paolo Zami-I-131 Abarth
7. Paolo Fabrizio Fabbri/Paolo Cecchini-I-Ritmo 75
8. Matthias Moosleitner/Margit Tuchler-D-Ascona 400
9. Vittorio Caneva/Bruno Scabini-I-Visa Trophee
10. "Pau"/Loris Roggia-I-131 Abarth

Regards
Janusz

[lennyz]

Hello
I'm trying to establish full list of stage winners for WRC.
Does someone have detailed information about stage winners (+ documents if possible) of following rallies :
- Poland 1973
- Press-on-Regardless 1974
- Sanremo 1974
- Sweden 1975
- Acropolis 1975
- Sanremo 1975
- Sweden 1981
- Brazil 1981

Thanks
Bruno

[DIMI44]

Hello
I'm trying to establish full list of stage winners for WRC.

- Acropolis 1975

Thanks
Bruno

1.DEKELIA 13.81klm.Waldegard/Thorselius STRATOS 9.58
2.RITSONA 8.40 klm. Waldegard 4.49
3.DROSSIA 17.90klm.Waldegard 10.50
4.LOUKISSIA 7.10 klm.Anderson/Hertz COROLLA 4.11
5.DISTOMO 12.82 klm.Waldegard 9.57
6.ERATINI 11.45 klm Waldegard 7.37
7.MALANDRINO 4.70 klm.Aderson 2.53
8.KAROUTES 20 klm. Waldegard 16.46
9.KALOSKOPI 18.80 klm. Waldegard 16.43
10.INICHORI 9.19 klm. Waldegard 8.30
11.MOSCHOKARIA 10.02 klm. Waldegard 9.08
12.MACRYRACHI 15.95 klm. Warmbold /Davenport COROLLA 12.12
13.ASPROCLISSIA 28.00 klm. Rohrl /Berger ASCONA 21.49
14.ELATI 27.30 klm. Rohrl 18.56
15.ALIAKMON 15.04 klm. Waldegard 13.20
16.KATO VERMION 37.35 klm.Waldegard 29.36
17.POLYDENDRI 14.40 klm. Waldegard 12.05
18.SYCAMINEA 13.62 klm. Rohrl 11.46
19.DESKATI 21.81 klm. Waldegard 16.10
20. SMOKOVO 6.82 klm. Aaltonen ASCONA 5.26
21.FOURNA 30.43 klm. Waldegard 31.04
22.TSOUKA 6.51 klm. Waldegard 6.19
23.PAVLIANI 15.31 klm. Waldegard 11.10
24.KAROUTES 20.05 klm. Waldegard 16.20
25.DISTOMO II 12.22 klm. Waldegard 10.04
26.PLATANAKI 7.03 klm. Waldegard 4.40
27.SCROPONERIA 13.05 klm. Waldegard 6.15
28.RITSONA 6.50 klm. Waldegard 3.57
29.AVLONA 13.81 klm. Waldegard 10.29
30.ALEPOCHORI 5.38 klm. Waldegard 3.57
31.SCHINOS 12.4 klm. Waldegard 10.24
32.SOULI 9.27 klm. Waldegard 6.35
33.ZEMENO 8.17 klm. Waldegard 6.25
34.EVROSTINA 38.00 klm. Waldegard 31.00
35.LALAS 11.77 klm. Rohrl 11.33
36.CHELIDONI 7.43 klm. Warmbold 6.52
37.LADONAS 23.10 klm. Rohrl 17.17
38.ELATI 26.05 klm.Rohrl 19.13
39.HELLINIKON 6.40 klm.Rohrl 5.12
40.LEONTARION 7.20 klm. Rohrl 5.42
41.GEORGITSI 6.40 klm. Rohrl 5.12
42.KONIDITSA 6.00 klm. Rohrl 6.17
43.VRESTHENA 5.30 klm." SIROCO"/ANDRIOPOULOS ALPIN RENAULT 4.30
44.VRESTHENA II 10.05 klm. Rohrl 10.13
45.VAMVAKOU 12.75 klm. 11.59
46.VOURVOURA 19.32 klm. Rohrl 15.55
47.ASTROS 13.10 klm. Rohrl 12.03
48.EPIDAURUS 14.50 Rohrl 12.10

From a Greek auto magazine.

Best Regards
Dimitris

[BDunnell]

Here is a history-related question which, for some reason, has come to mind in recent days. In which group, A or B, did the Audi 80 Quattros entered by the works for Stig Blomqvist in Sweden and by Audi Sport UK for various drivers (mainly Harald Demuth, but also Darryl Weidner and Andrew Cowan) on the 1983 British Open Championship run?

I ask because I had always thought these were Group A cars; indeed, for instance, the narration on the ITV report of the 1983 Ulster Rally stated: 'Running against him [Per Eklund] in Group A is Harald Demuth's four-wheel-drive Audi 80 Quattro'. However, other video reviews of the 1983 British rounds do not talk of the 80 Quattro as being in Group A against Eklund's Corolla, Chris Lord's Mazda, the Escort RS1600is and so on (for example, here — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqeEdBwol7w — where it is stated that Louise Aitken and Lord were contending the Group A lead at a point before Demuth retired). Also, both here — http://www.juwra.com/sweden_1983_entries.html — and here — http://www.rallybase.nl/index.php?ty...lt&rallyid=253 — Blomqvist's Sweden entry is given as being part of Group B. Yet a privateer Group A 80 Quattro is listed amongst the finishers on the 1983 1000 Lakes, and subsequent examples of the type, such as Mikael Ericsson's, were always Group A cars. I'd be most interested to read an explanation! Are those sources that have the 1983 works cars as being Group B just mistaken, or is there another reason?

[januszsz]

Here is a history-related question which, for some reason, has come to mind in recent days. In which group, A or B, did the Audi 80 Quattros entered by the works for Stig Blomqvist in Sweden and by Audi Sport UK for various drivers (mainly Harald Demuth, but also Darryl Weidner and Andrew Cowan) on the 1983 British Open Championship run?

I ask because I had always thought these were Group A cars; indeed, for instance, the narration on the ITV report of the 1983 Ulster Rally stated: 'Running against him [Per Eklund] in Group A is Harald Demuth's four-wheel-drive Audi 80 Quattro'. However, other video reviews of the 1983 British rounds do not talk of the 80 Quattro as being in Group A against Eklund's Corolla, Chris Lord's Mazda, the Escort RS1600is and so on (for example, here — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqeEdBwol7w — where it is stated that Louise Aitken and Lord were contending the Group A lead at a point before Demuth retired). Also, both here — http://www.juwra.com/sweden_1983_entries.html — and here — http://www.rallybase.nl/index.php?ty...lt&rallyid=253 — Blomqvist's Sweden entry is given as being part of Group B. Yet a privateer Group A 80 Quattro is listed amongst the finishers on the 1983 1000 Lakes, and subsequent examples of the type, such as Mikael Ericsson's, were always Group A cars. I'd be most interested to read an explanation! Are those sources that have the 1983 works cars as being Group B just mistaken, or is there another reason?

According to M. Holmes' "Wold of Rallying 6" (report of Swedish Rally 1983): "The rally was so clearly expected to ba an Audi benefit the only point of interest at the top of the field was which of their drivers would win, or more pertinently, how much of a handicap Blomqvist would find the 80 Quattro to be. The 80 Quattro was inportant because of what would happen later in the year when the model would be homologated in group A. It would be promoted by the factory as the recommended car for national teams and privateers to run". Sweidish Rally 1983 was the first major rally for Audi 80 Quattro. It was run in group B. Later that year July 1st 1983 Audi 80 Quattro was homologated as a group A car under homologation number A5156.
Regards
Janusz