Rally History (part III)

[Alfa Fan]

What are you talking about? This is the Motorsport history section of the Forum and this is a thread on rallying history.

It's in the touring car section. So touring cars should be discussed, not rally cars.

[pino]

It's in the touring car section. So touring cars should be discussed, not rally cars.

Wrong ! this thread is about Rally History so anything about rallying is welcome here

[Alfa Fan]

Look in the touring car section. It is in the touring car section. If it is also in the Rally section, then please remove it from touring cars as it has no relevance.

[januszsz]

Janusz
You have your answer from FAL in his post above - my guess was wrong which is why I don't bet money on these questions!

Thank you all who took part in discussion on Davids Thompsons. Special thanks to FAL who solved it.
Regards
Janusz

[januszsz]

ERC - 1970 :
2/Penumant - 3,5,9,10 th ;
03 Gilbert Casselsjö S C. Olsson S Ford Capri GT
05 Eberhard Asmus DDR Helmuth Piehler DDR Trabant 601
09 Frieder Kramer DDR Gisela Kramer DDR Trabant 601
10 E Erlich DDR D. Schöne DDR Wartburg 353

3/Circuit of Ireland - 4-10 th ;
04 Robert McBurney GB Norman Smith GB BMW 2002 TI
05 Lasse Jönsson S Andres Quist S Saab 96 V4
06 John Bloxham GB Richard Harper GB BMW 2002 TI
07 Adrian Boyd IRL Beatty Crawford IRL Ford Escort TC
08 Mick Dolan IRL John O'Brien IRL Ford Escort TC
09 Tony Fowkes GB Peter O'Gorman GB Ford Cortina Lotus
10 Bror Danielsson S S-E. Johansson S Opel Kadett 1.9 Rallye

4/Isola d'Elba -5 th and 8-10 th ;
05 Renato Sonda I Delfo Turri I Fiat 125 S
08 "Giubar" I Scalabrini I Fiat 124
09 Squillace I Domenico Bettini I Lancia Fulvia Rally HF 1600
10 "Popo" I Zanussi I Lancia Fulvia Rally HF 1600

6/Wiesbaden - 3,5,7,8 th ;
03 Karl W. Richter D K. Polland D BMW 2002 TI
05 Klaus Miersch D Agethen D Opel Kadett 1.9 Rallye
07 Günter Schons D Reiner Zweibäumer D Ford Capri 2.3
08 Erhard Memmel D Gerald Rauch D Opel Kadett 1.9 Rallye

7/Bodensee - 4-7 th ;
04 Heribert Neger Sternecker BMW 2002 TI
05 Robert Zelenka A Richard Zelenka A Ford Escort TC
06 Heide Utz D Werner? Brust D BMW 2002 TI
07 Hubert Neukom A Georg Hopf A BMW 2002 TI

8/Lorainne - 3-4 th ;
03 Jacques Henry F Lauer F Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
04 Jean-Louis Barailler F Flavigny F Alfa Romeo

9/Scottish - 4,6,9 th ;
04 Colin "Dan" Grewer GB Ian Grewer GB Volvo 122 S
06 Jimmy Wilson GB Iain Knox GB Hillman Hunter
09 Ron Pilcher GB J. Clark GB Ford Cortina Lotus

10/Geneve - 9 th ;
09 Meier Bianchi Porsche 911R

11/Vltava - 3,8 th ;
03 Walter Roser A Roman Loibnegger A Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
08 Hans Britth S Sven Erik Jansson S Opel Kadett 1.9 Rallye

12/Rajd Polski - 7 th ;
07 Ulf Sundberg S D. Jonsson S Lancia Fulvia Rally HF 1600

15/San Martino di Castrozza - 6-7 th ;
06 Alberto Smania I Borsetto I Fiat 125 S
07 "Giampietro" I Borsoi I Porsche 911S

16/Tour de France - 8-10 th ;
08 Henri Balas F A. Imbert F Porsche 914/6
09 Jean-Pierre Hanrioud F M. Viollet F Porsche 911S
10 Selz Cochet Porsche 911S

17/München-Wien-Budapest - 4,6,10 th ;
04 Achim Warmbold D R. Kec D Opel Kadett GT
06 Walter Roser A Leopold Mayer A Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
10 Leopold Bosch A W. Lier Volkswagen 1302 S

18/TAP - 5-10 th ;
05 Francisco Romaozinho P Costa Simoes P Citroën DS 21
06 Antonio Peixinho P José Bandeira P Alfa Romeo 1750
07 Americo Nunes P Fernando Fonseca P Porsche 911S
08 Giovanni Salvi P José Arnaud P Porsche 911T
09 "Chavan" B Robert Loyens B Datsun 1600 SSS
10 Roy Fidler GB Barry Hughes GB Ford Escort TC

19/1000 minuten - 5,10 th ;
05 Dr Gernot Fischer A Klaus Rader A Volkswagen 1302 S
10 F.M. Kerschbaum A R. Sedlacek A BMW 2002 TI

20/ RACE - 9,10 th ;
09 Gerardo van Dulken NL Ricardo Antolin E Renault 8 Gordini
10 Juan Carlos Garcia de la Rasilla E "Javal" E Renault 8 Gordini

21/Tour de Corse - 7 th ;
07 Jean-Marie Jacquemin B Rouff B Alpine-Renault A110

22/Tour de Belgique - 9 th
09 Vanhunessel Demay Porsche 911S

Regards
Janusz

[Alfa Fan]

Are we going to talk about Snetterton?

[stanislav197]

Thanks,Janusz . Help me for ERC - 1969 :3/Tulpen - 1-10 th ;4/Alpenfart - 9-10 th ;5/Acropolis - 4 th end 8-10 th ;9/Coupe des Alpes - 9 th ;10 Baltic - 3-10 th ;11/München-Wien-Budapest - 5-8 th ;12 RACE - 7,10 th ;13 RAC - 10 th .

[kabouter]

Some additions to 1974 results, taken from Autocourse 1974/75 - no guarantees that the spelling of all names there is correct.

ERC - 1974 :
2/Costa Brava - 3-10 th;
03 Pedro Cortes P Jorge Mira Amaral P Datsun 1200
04 Rafael Cid Navarro E Joaquin Nanté E Seat 1430
05 Antonio Borges P Pina de Morais P Alpine-Renault A110
06 "Jean-Claude" E Antonio Sallen E Seat 1430

3/San Marino - 6-10 th ; I have only top 4 - let me know who was 5th
5 Leo Pittoni I Volpinari I Fiat 124
6 Ferraris I Cianci I Lancia Fulvia HF 1.6


15/Ypres - 5 th ;
05 Maurice Nusbaumer F Luc Pyncker B Alpine-Renault A110 -

16/Vltava - 2,4,6,8 th ;
02 Jan Carneborn S Lennart Johansson S Opel Ascona


22/Lugano 3-10h ; -
03 Carlo Bianchi I Pietro Silvia I Porsche 911 Carrera RS
04 Angelo Beretta I Giovanni Pirovano I Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV
05 Walter Finzi I Ernesto Faggioli I Opel Ascona
06 Cesare de Angelis I Giuseppe Gasparoli I Lancia Fulvia HF 1.6

23/Ö.A.S.C
06 Winfried Hermann D Christa Hermann D Porsche 911 Carrera RS


25/Saint-Amand-les-Eaux -1 th and 5-10 th - I don't have that rally as an ERC round in 1974
Also Autocourse does not have results for this rally, but in the ERC points table I have - I think scanned from Italian yearbook Velocità & Rally - this round is included, with Maurice Nusbaumer credited with 20 points for winning this round.

[januszsz]

Thank you Tjeerd for precious additions.
Who can help with Saint-Amand-Les-Aux 1974? - was it a round of ERC or not?
ERC - 1969 :
3/Tulpen - 1-10 th ;
01 Gilbert Staepelaere B André Aerts B Ford Escort TC
02 Rob Slotemaker NL Ferry van der Geest NL BMW 2002 TI
03 Hans Lannsjö S Hans Sundin S Opel Kadett 1.9 Rallye
04 Jean-Louis Haxhe B Christian Delferrier B DAF 55
05 Claude Laurent F Jacques Marche F DAF 55
06 Manfred Gudladt D Heiko Henneking D Alfa Romeo 1750 Berlina
07 Theo Johannes Koks NL Rob Wiedenhoff NL DAF 55
08 Theo Schoondebeek NL Hans de Jong NL BMW 2002
09 Walter Pöltinger A Leopold Mayer A Porsche 911T
10 "Christine" B Gaby Arendt B Alfa Romeo 1750

4/Österreichische Alpenfahrt - 9-10 th ;
09 Walter Pöltinger A Leopold Mayer A Porsche 911
10 Carl Christian Schindler A Gustav Hruschka A Volkswagen 1500

5/Acropolis - 4 th and 8-10 th ; -it was not an ERC rally, it was a part of Makes' Championship

9/Coupe des Alpes - 9 th ; -it was not an ERC rally, probably as they allowed to drive prototypes

10 Baltic - 3-10 th ; -it was not an ERC rally, it was a part of Makes' Championship

11/München-Wien-Budapest - 5-8 th ; -it was not an ERC rally, it was a part of Makes' Championship

12 RACE - 7,10 th ;
07 José Manuel Lencina E Caballero E Lancia Fulvia HF 1.3
08 Kurt Simonsen S Arne Henriksson S Opel Kadett GT
09 Emilio Rodriguez Zapico E "Gregorio" E Renault 8 Gordini
10 Claes Billstam S Synnove Billstam S Opel Kadett

13 RAC - 10 th .
10 Lasse Jönsson S B. Eliasson/P.Lidström? S 26 Saab 96 V4

According to my knowledge ERC callendar in 1969 was realised as follows:
1969 14-17.02 KAK Svenska S
1969 05-08.03 San Remo I
1969 28.04-02.05 Tulpen NL
1969 14-19.05 Alpenfahrt A
1969 04-06.07 Vltava CS
1969 16-19.07 Polski PL
1969 16-19.10 R.A.C.E. E
1969 14-21.11 RAC GB

Regards
Janusz

[stanislav197]

Thanks, Janusz . Help me for ERC - 1968 :1/Svenska - 7 th ;4/Pnemant - 4-10 th ;6/Wisbaden - 6-10 th ;7/Österreichische Alpenfahrt - 6,7,10 th ;10/Danube - 5-10 th ;11/Geneve - 6,10 th ;14/Coupe des Alpes - 4,6,8,10 th ;15/ RACE - 5-10 th ;16/ RAC - 10 th . Got the final standings for the championship.First a Pauli Toivonen .2-10 th - ?