Rally History (part III)

[sednem]

Hi Janusz,

Once again thanks for '84 results.
Below some (first)names that i fund...

Boucles de Spa : 10 Bernard Munster B Christian Loncke B Opel Manta
ARBÖ : 04 Eric Wallner Peter Grösslhuber Ford Escort RS
ARBÖ : (as allready notified) 06 Ted Kottulinsky/Thomas Zeltner Audi 80 Quattro
Quattro Regioni : 06 Norberto? Cerutti I Perazzi I Opel Manta 400 (in 83 and 84 in other italian rallys I fund Massimo Cerutti/Riccardo Perazzi...)
Volta Galp a Portugal : 03 Rui Souto/Eduardo Cid (POR) Ford Escort RS
Haspengouw (and Lucien Bianchi): 07 Gerry Reginster B Marc Delmelle B Opel Kadett GT/E (I think the driver first name is Thierry)
Hebros : 03 Boncho Dunev BG George Marinov BG Renault 5 Turbo
Hebros : 07 Manolis Halivelakis GR Panahotonis GR Toyota Corolla (maybe Lazaros Panagiotounis as co-driver???)
Hebros : 10 Sotiris Kokkinis GR Tonia Pavli-Kokkini GR Renault 5 Alpine
Vin/Valais : 08 Jean-Marie Carron CH Laurent Lattion CH Porsche 930 Turbo

Janusz

That's all...

Regards
Américo.

[sednem]

Thanks so much sednem and januszsz!!!!!

your wellcome....
for 86 calendar i still don't have check-it (i'm now entering 85 season...) but anyway here's what I have...

1 1-Jan 6-Jan AUT 17° Castrol Janner Rally 2
2 23-Jan 26-Jan FIN 21° Arctic Rally 2
3 7-Fev 9-Fev BEL 29° Boucles de Spa 2
4 20-Fev 23-Fev ESP 34° Rally Costa Brava 3
5 21-Fev 23-Fev FIN 31° Hankiralli 1
6 23-Fev 2-Mar ALE Sachs Winter 2
7 21-Mar 23-Mar ESP 34° Rally RACE - Costa Blanca 3
8 28-Mar 1-Abr IRL 47° Rothmans Circuit of Ireland 1
9 3-Abr 6-Abr FRA 7° Rally des Garrigues 4
10 5-Abr 6-Abr ESP 20° Rally Cales de Palafrugell - Girona - Guilleries 1
11 16-Abr 19-Abr ITA 9° Rally Costa Smeralda 4
12 18-Abr 20-Abr AUT 8° Arbo Rally 1
13 9-Mai 10-Mai BEL 15° Rally Haspengouw 2
14 10-Mai 12-Mai BUL 17° Rally Zlatni Piassatzi 4
15 15-Mai 17-Mai ITA 18° Rally dell'Isola d'Elba 3
16 15-Mai 18-Mai SUE 11° South Swedish Rally 2
17 22-Mai 25-Mai POR 35° Volta a Portugal 2
18 23-Mai 25-Mai YUG 9º Saturnus 2
19 29-Mai 1-Jun ALE 35° ADAC Rally Hessen 2
20 31-Mai 1-Jun ITA 15° Rally 4 Regioni 1
21 7-Jun 8-Jun FRA 29° Criterium Alpin - Jean Behra 2
22 7-Jun 10-Jun GBR 41° lloyds Bowmaker Scottish Rally 2
23 12-Jun 14-Jun ITA 70° Targa Florio - Rally di Sicilia 3
24 27-Jun 29-Jun BEL 22° 24 Heures d'Ypres 3
25 27-Jun 30-Jun TUR 15° Gunaydin Rally of Turkey 2
26 28-Jun 29-Jun CZE 16° Barum Tribec Rally 2
27 4-Jul 6-Jul POL 43° Rajd Polski 2
28 4-Jul 5-Jul ESP 10° Rally El Corte Ingles 2
29 12-Jul 13-Jul CZE 13° Rally Bohemia 2
30 24-Jul 27-Jul ITA 9° Rally della Lana 2
31 24-Jul 27-Jul ALL 19° Hunsruck Rally 3
32 1-Ago 3-Ago POR 26° Rally Vinho da Madeira 4
33 2-Ago 3-Ago BUL 16° Vida Rally 2
34 7-Ago 10-Ago ALL 5° ADAC Rally Deutschland 2
35 25-Ago 27-Ago GRE 11° Halkidikis Rally 4
36 28-Ago 31-Ago ITA 7° Rally di Piancavallo 2
37 30-Ago 31-Ago BUL 15° Hebros Rally 2
38 30-Ago 31-Ago BEL 17° Criterium Lucien Bianchi 2
39 10-Set 13-Set GBR 24° Tudor Webasto Manx Rally 4
40 18-Set 21-Set ESP 23° Rally Principe de Asturias 2
41 20-Set 26-Set FRA 45° Tour de France Automobile 3
42 26-Set 28-Set CYP 14° Cyprus Rally 4
43 2-Out 5-Out FRA 21° Rally d'Antibes 3
44 22-Out 25-Out SUI 27° Rally du Valais 2
45 24-Out 26-Out ESP 22° Rally de Catalunya 4
46 29-Out 2-Nov POR 16° Rally Lois Algarve 2
47 6-Nov 9-Nov SMR 14° Rally di San Marino 2
48 8-Nov 9-Nov BEL Condroz 2
49 29-Nov 30-Nov FRA 32º Rally du Var 2
Regards.
Américo

[sednem]

Can anyone help with rear pictures of Marc Duez 6r4 hunsrück rallye 86. I am trying to make a model but cannot find rear pictures.

Cheers, Dave

have you tried this: http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/show...=121117&page=2
or this: http://www.foto-dfg.de/Bilder/Motors...986/index.html

Regards
Américo

[januszsz]

Thanks Americo,
I think in ERC'86 callendar you lost 6th Semperit Rallye 7-8.11. and it was 13th Rallye du Condroz.
Back to our discussion on ä = ae. Yes you are right. It is common replacement for those special marks especially in countries which doesn't have those marks in their alphabets... Germans use those marks and it would be strange when in te same dokument author uses special marks and suddenly in one name he doesn't. It was why I asked German-speaking for help. Nobody answered yet...
Regards
Janusz

[Matthewrally87]

Thanks so much sednem and januszsz!!!!

[kabouter]

- Regarding round nº4: Swedish Rally. When cross cheking with rallybase.nl, Swedish Rally is given only as a WRC round, therefor in 1985 newspapers, Swedish rally count for ERC champship... Who's right???

The Swedish Rally was given ERC status when it stopped counting for the Manufacturer's championship in 1980 (like 1000 Lakes). Originally for 1985 the Swedish was supposed to count for the World Championship for Drivers, as well as the ERC, but because of the uncertainties surrounding the Rallye Monte Carlo for that year, it was decided to include the Swedish in the Manufacturer's world championship as well. I think (but I'm not 100% certain) that was why the rally did not count for the ERC in the end.

And of course you can find the final classification in RallyBase: http://www.rallybase.nl/index.php?ty...dingid=erc1985

[Oppositelock]

As we have some letters in German which are not used in foreign languages - especially English - they are usually translated as follows (whenever there is no German keyboard around):

ä = ae
ö = oe
ü = ue
ß = ss

So Wiltraud Bärdges (she by the way is since years married to former rally driver Dietrich Kissel) would appear as Wiltraud Baerdges on any international result.

[januszsz]

Thank you Oppositelock.
That translation of special letters is clear and well known.
The problem is that in a German text his Author used all those umlauts for all names but he wrote Baerdges not Bärdges,
Regards
Janusz

[kabouter]

In Scharnagl's (German language) annual Rallye Jahrbuch 1984/85 the names are given as Blome/Bärdges in the results section.

[kabouter]

Hi Americo. I can't say if Ciocco Rally as well as Limburgia Rally took part in 1984 but for sure they were not a part of ERC 1984.

The Limburgia Rally took place in 1984, on 25 August. It was centered around the Dutch village of Maasbracht, and won by Jan van der Marel and Anja Beltzer with an Opel Manta 400. It was only a round of the Dutch Championship, not of the ERC (I doubt it reached the minimum stage distance for an ERC event with a total stage time of 69 minutes for the winner).

From this list of Rally del Ciocco winners http://www.ciocco.it/inglese/rally/rallyciocco/albo.htm it seems the rally was not held in the years 1983 and 1984.