Rally History (part III)

[Martin Liddle]

Intrigued by the '83 Welsh Rally results sheet, listing Jimmy McRae as winning 'Class 7' ahead of Weidner's works 80 Quattro. What was 'Class 7'? Can't just be Group B cars, as otherwise the Quattros would surely have been classified ahead of the Manta; and the Chevette as well, presumably, given that for '83 I was under the impression it was running as a Group B car?

Class 7 was Group B over 1600cc. I think you are looking at the awards list not the class results page which is after the stage times pages. Art 27.3 of the regulations says that the first three overall are not eligible for class awards. We have always treated the Awards List and the Class Results as two separate entities.

[SSR2]

Nr 42 in Sachs Rallye Baltic 1985 was Bernd Förster/Ulrich Liebert (Bochum) Ford Escort RS Turbo

[Millsetta]

Sorry I am new to this but I just wanted to know if anyone had the entry list for the 1958 Monte Carlo rally? I'm just looking if Harold Bacon entered then (or possibly a few years later). He was my late Grampy's best friend and a lovely man. Many thanks.
If anyone could just refer me where to look that would be great, thank you.

[FAL]

(French) ForumAuto has just posted 1958 results in their Monte thread. I don't have 58 entry list but someone there has probably posted it before (or will do so if asked, ignoring copyright as usual...)

[Benne]

Nr 42 in Sachs Rallye Baltic 1985 was Bernd Förster/Ulrich Liebert (Bochum) Ford Escort RS Turbo

thank you!

[Millsetta]

(French) ForumAuto has just posted 1958 results in their Monte thread. I don't have 58 entry list but someone there has probably posted it before (or will do so if asked, ignoring copyright as usual...)

Hi, I've tried to find the results but to no avail, please can you let me know where I need to look on the forum? Many thanks for your help.

[FAL]

I've just given up waiting for it to open (it was faster than I've ever found it to be last night!).
The 58 Results are on latest or next to latest page of the Monte thread in the "Photos" section.
There will be another Monte thread in "Rallyes Historiques" section where the entry may be posted...but many pages back.

[grisza]

As this French forum is often very slow to load, here are the results from Monte Carlo 1958 as originally posted in there:

[D-Type]

(French) ForumAuto has just posted 1958 results in their Monte thread. I don't have 58 entry list but someone there has probably posted it before (or will do so if asked, ignoring copyright as usual...)

I agree that "the French" do seem to have a cavalier attitude to copyright. This may be due to the French Law being less restrictive than English Law in the interpretation of "Fair use".
However, there is no copyright restriction on facts, such as a list of the cardinals who elected the Pope. Any copyright restriction that exists can only relate to the method of presentation and format. So, reproducing a published list by posting a scan, ie making a facsimile, is a copyright breach. But copy type the basic list, change the font or juxtapose two columns and there is no breach of copyright as you have created something new. However it is courtesy to acknowledge the source of your information. In the context of this thread it does help to validate the information.
If the list included "pen portraits" as they are "literary works" they are copyright and copy typing them would be a breach of copyright.

[grisza]

Here's a list of rallies from the 50's (except Rallye Cote d'Ivoire) I'm interested in. I think I got all major rallies from Europe (plus two from Africa). But if I skipped some (or listed too many maybe?) please let me know what should be added/removed from my list?

Acropolis Rally
Boucles de Spa
Coupe des Alpes
Jyvaskylan Suurajot
Liege-Rome-Liege
Midnattsolsrallyt
Monte-Carlo
Osterreichische Alpenfahrt
RAC Rally
Rallye Cote d'Ivoire
Rallye de Geneve
Rallye de Sestriere
Rallye du Maroc
Rallye Lisboa
Rallye Lyons-Charbonnieres
Rallye Mont Blanc
Rallye Soleil-Cannes
Rallye Travemunde
Rallye Wiesbaden
Safari
Semperit Rallye
Stella Alpina
Tour de Corse
Tulpenrallye
Viking Rally

ps.
I omitted rallies from communist countries but it was intentional as I'm not interested in those events.