Rally History (part III)

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Ypres Rally 1965 - 2009
hello everybody - i am trying to get all the entry lists (first 30) for the Ypres rally from 1965 till 2009.

I completed the lists from 1984 till 2009 but for the earlier years I still have some unknown teams (nrs).

Can somebody help me with :

1983
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nr 23 - 24 - 25 - 26 - 27 - 30

1981
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nr 2 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 18 - 20 - 22 - 24 - 26 - 27 - 28 - 29 - 30

1980
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nr 19 - 24 - 29

1979
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nr 1 - 4 - 9 - 12 - 15 - 16 - 18 - 20 - 21 - 23 - 25 - 29

lists before 1979 are also welcome - (1975 and 1976 are complete)

[911carreraRSR]

Hi Friends,

Does Anybody know who was the Number 7 in the 1985 Rallue des Garrigues?

I know only that the car was Rothmans-Porsche.

THANKS !!!

[jrally]

Hi Friends,

Does Anybody know who was the Number 7 in the 1985 Rallue des Garrigues?

I know only that the car was Rothmans-Porsche.

THANKS !!!

Bernard Béguin-Jean Jacques Lenne 2nd overall

Best regards
jorge

[Steve Boyd]

Steve, you have the classement (if possible with date, start and finish) for the editions 1963 - 1964 - 1965 - 1966 - 1967 - 1968 - 1969 - 1970 - 1971 - 1972 ?

Thank you
Giorgio

From my usual source ("25 Years of The Manx Rally" by Doug Baird & Gordon Kniveton) top 10 results for the years you ask are listed below. I have shown the date where it is in the book, but it is not given for most years.

1963, start & finish Douglas, IoM
1. Reg McBride/Don Barrow (Allardette) 57 Marks
2. Phil Simister/B. Potts (Allardette) 65 Marks
3. John Sprinzel/W. Cave (Allardette) 70 Marks
4. Geoff Allen/B. Hughes (Vauxhall VX 4/90) 70 Marks
5. F. Grange/J. Middleton (Allardette) 74 marks
6. Tony Fisher/John Brown (850 Mini) 77 Marks
7. Roy Dixon/D. Ralphs (Anglia Super) 78 Marks
8. Brian Culcheth/John Davenport (Sebring Sprite) 86 Marks
9. D. Sisson/R. Etheridge (Triumph TR4) 90 Marks
10. Roger Clark/H. Patton (Mini Cooper) 94 Marks

1964, start & finish Douglas, IoM
1. David Friswell/Keith Binns (1275 Cooper S) 853 Points
2. Barrie Williams/Mike Lindsay-Jones (1071 Cooper S) 856 Points
3. Norman Birkett/Pat Hauseman (Ford Cortina GT) 1007 Points
4. John Sprinzel/"Fred" (Ford Cortina GT) 1024 Points
5. Frank Grange/Barrie Potts (Ford Cortina) 1029 Points
6. Phil Simister/Graham Robson (Ford Cortina) 1053 Points
7. Horace Saville/John Dodsworth (1071 Cooper S) 1075 Points
8. K. Watkinson/D. Watkinson (MGA Twin Cam) 1076 Points
9. Mike Offley/Terry Harrison (Mini) 1116 Points
10. Don Grimshaw/Tony Mason (Triumph TR4) 1131 Points

1965 (May 21-23), start & finish Douglas, IoM
1. Tony Fall/David Fawcett (1275 Cooper S) 619 Points
2. Chris Knowles-Fitton/Mike Wood (1275 Cooper S) 680 Points
3. Don Lindsay/Ray Kennedy (1275 Minivan) 751 Points
4. Dennis Easthope/Denis Craine (1275 Cooper S) 759 Points
5. Martin Clark/Paul Stephens (Ford Cortina GT) 772 Points
6. John Dodsworth/Adrian Hundleby (1275 Cooper S) 779 Points
7. Mike Offley/Terry Harrison (970 Cooper S) 802 Points
8. P. Green/? (MGB) 904 Points
9. Cec Offley/Rob Lyall (997 Mini Cooper) 915 Points
10. Ken Leece/Evelyn Leece (1275 Cooper S) 918 Points

1966 (September 16-17), start & finish Douglas, IoM
1. Dennis Easthope/Dennis Craine (Ford Cortina GT) 918 Points
2. Doug Baird/Ffinlo Crellin (1071 Mini Cooper S) 938 Points
3. John Dodsworth/Roy Sweetman (1275 Mini Cooper S) 962 Points
4. Ken Leece/Evelyn Leece (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1065 Points
5. Horace Saville/Harry Kewin (999 Mini Cooper S) 1069 Points
6. Roy Mapple/Tony Mason (970 Mini Cooper S) 1346 Points
7. Rodney Goodchild/Ron Crellin (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1363 Points
8. John Huyton/Bob Corrin (Ford Cortina GT) 1365 Points
9. Brian Chippendale/Dave Winstanley (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1370 Points
10. Robin Eyre-Maunsell/William Spence (Hillman Imp GT) 1424 Points

1967 (May 19-21), start & finish Douglas, IoM
1. Norman Harvey/Terry Vaux (1275 Mini Cooper S) 917 Points
2. Ken Leece/Evelyn Leece (1275 Mini Cooper S) 955 Points
3. John Huyton/Bob Corrin (Ford Cortina GT) 1054 Points
4. Richard Hill/Norman Salt (Lotus Cortina) 1123 Points
5. P. Marshall/T. Cork (Ford Cortina GT) 1226 Points
6. C. Twigdon/T. Williams (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1437 Points
7. Rodney Goodchild/John Hague (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1440 Points
8. Haydn Minay/Miss Christine Leece (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1537 Points
9. Edward Christian/Mike Kennish (Ford Anglia) 1546 Points
10. Brian Denny/P. Walker (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1571 Points

1968, start & finish Douglas, IoM
1. John Huyton/Bob Corrin (Cortina GT) 856 Points
2. John Dodsworth/Adrian Hundleby (1275 Mini Cooper S) 956 Points
3. Richard Hill/Norman Salt (Lotus Cortina) 1034 Points
4. Roy Fidler/Barry Hughes (Lotus Cortina) 1084 Points
5. John Sprinzel/Gerry Ryan (MG Midget) 1097 Points
6. Norman Harvey/Terry Vaux (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1098 Points
7. Dessie McCartney/Mervyn Johnson (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1180 Points
8. Will Sparrow/Nigel Raeburn (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1316 Points
9. Bob Bean/Paul Stephens (Cortina GT) 1418 Points
10. Dave Tomlinson/Don Davidson (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1460 Points

1969, start & finish Douglas, IoM
1. Colin Malkin/John Davenport (1140 Hillman Imp) 648 Points
2. Cahal Curley/Austin Frazer (Ford Escort TC) 739 Points
3. John Huyton/Margaret Kennish (Cortina Lotus) 840 Points
4. Will Sparrow/Nigel Raeburn (1275 Mini Cooper S) 872 Points
5. Mrs. Pat Carlsson/David Stone (1300 Lancia Fulvia) 1267 Points
6. John Dodsworth/Phil Readshaw (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1334 Points
7. John Bloxham/Richard Harper (Ford Escort TC) 1346 Points
8. Dennis Easthope/Geoff Cannell (Ford Cortina GT) 1420 Points
9. David Smith/Christopher Pennice (Ford Escort GT) 1460 Points
10. Edward Christian/Mike Kennish (Ford Anglia GT) 1593 Points

1970 (May 22-24), start & finish Douglas, IoM
1. Chris Sclater/John Davenport (Escort TC) 831 Points
2. Cahal Curley/Austin Frazer (Escort TC) 929 Points
3. Roy Fidler/Richard Morris (BMW 2002Ti) 995 Points
4. John Huyton/Bob Corrin (Lotus Cortina) 1045 Points
5. Adrian Boyd/Beattie Crawford (Escort TC) 1049 Points
6. Doug Baird/Adrian Hundleby (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1185 Points
7. David Smith/Chris Penrice (Escort TC) 1194 Points
8. Jim Bullough/Don Barrow (Escort TC) 1198 Points
9. Dennis Easthope/Helen Walford (Lotus Cortina) 1217 Points
10. John Dodsworth/Chris Kennaugh (Escort TC) 1320 Points

1971, start & finish Douglas, IoM
1. Roger Clark/Henry Liddon (Escort RS1600) 565 Points
2. Adrian Boyd/Beatty Crawford (Escort TC) 766 Points
3. Roy Fidler/Barry Hughes (Escort RS1600) 876 Points
4. John Huyton/Horace Saville (Cortina Lotus) 1079 Points
5. Mervyn Johnston/Austin Frazer (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1079 Points
6. Andy Dawson/Nigel Raeburn (Sunbeam Imp) 1104 Points
7. Peter Clarke/Tony Mason (Escort RS1600) 1402 Points
8. Hugh O'Brien/Tommy McAloon (Escort TC) 1402 Points
9. John Dodsworth/Chris Kennaugh (Escort TC) 1409 Points
10. Martin Clark/Clive Plummer (Escort TC) 1470 Points

1972 (September 8-10), start & finish Douglas, IoM
1. Roger Clark/Jim Porter (Escort RS1600) 835 Points
2. Andy Dawson/John Foden (Clan Crusader) 1207 Points
3. Frank Pierson/Dave Stephenson (Escort RS1600) 1336 Points
4. Malcolm Patrick/Roger Rhoderick-Jones (Escort RS1600) 1395 Points
5. John Huyton/Alan Skinner (Escort TC) 1411 Points
6. Dessie McCartney/Terry Harryman (Escort RS1600) 1429 Points
7. Roy Fidler/Barry Hughes (Datsun 240Z) 1466 Points
8. Doug Baird/Adrian Hundleby (1275 Mini Cooper S) 1521 Points
9. Peter Clarke/Tony Mason (Escort RS1600) 1641 Points
10. David Agnew/Robert Harkness (BMW 2002) 1643 Points

Altenheimer - "always ran grp. 4 " ??

Not Correct.

Here's a for instance from 1975 :

Sachs-Rally-Baltic 1975

There were 119 cars at start 31 cars retired.
The total distance of the rally was 1650km.
The weather was good and no accidents.

General classification:
1. Walter Smolej/Willi Peter Pitz - Opel Ascona Gr. 2
2. Reiner Altenheimer/Hanno Menne Porsche Carrere RS Gr. 3
3. Andrezej Jaroszewicz/Ryszard Zyskowski (Poland) Fiat Abarth 124 Gr. 4
4. Holger Bohne/Franz Moormann - Opel Ascona Gr. 2
5. Achim Warmbold/John Davenport - Renault Alpine Gr. 4
6. Roger Ericson/Bruno Berglund (Sweden) Volvo 142 Gr. 2
7. Hans-J. P. Herrmann/Konrad Schmidt Opel Ascona 19 Gr. 2
8. Jan Glad/Per Nedergaard (Denmark) Opel Ascona 19 Gr. 2
9. Rolf Petersen/Hans-Jürgen Wachholz Porsche 911 SC Gr. 3
10. Jörgen Hansen/Keld Christiansen (denmark) Opel Ascona 16 Gr
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Altenheimer won the 1975 DE Rallyemeister title in a 2.7L car (1973 RS body looking car - Black / LM X 911) .

He ran group 3 this year (1975).

In 1976 at Monte Carlo (car #48/ finished 59th) . He ran this same black car , most likely in group 3.

Later in the year (the only other pics I have seen of him in 1976 , are from june at the Rally of Bulgaria / "Rally Zlatni Piassatzi") , his car by then was a Yellow Porsche G body RS 3.0 flair "look" (we do not know what it was under the skin).

It is VERY possible that the Yellow car is the Black car with updated bodywork (and possibly mechanical's also ?). We do not know.

A clue - look at RobertS's Photo from 1976 Zlatni . There is a engine displacement badge on the grill . Not only does it look like 2.7 to me . I believe porsche only made grill engine displacement badges up to 2.7 liter.

I know RS 3.0's , do not come with a engine displacement grill badge.

So the question is , is this another chassis , or the same 1975 (and earlier) season chassis ?

I'm guessing it is the Black car underneeth . The only strange thing is the Licence number change ( Black car - LM X 911 , Yellow - LM M 911) ?

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As far as the 1980 Tour d"europe # 3 car pic. It could very well be Altenheimer , just as likely as anyone else (and by recieving a #3 , we know it is someone well rated . Like a past winner - say like altenheimer.

[Giorgio]

Very thanks, Steve!

Best regards
Giorgio

[911carreraRSR]

Altenheimer - "always ran grp. 4 " ??

Not Correct.

Here's a for instance from 1975 :

Sachs-Rally-Baltic 1975

There were 119 cars at start 31 cars retired.
The total distance of the rally was 1650km.
The weather was good and no accidents.

General classification:
1. Walter Smolej/Willi Peter Pitz - Opel Ascona Gr. 2
2. Reiner Altenheimer/Hanno Menne Porsche Carrere RS Gr. 3
3. Andrezej Jaroszewicz/Ryszard Zyskowski (Poland) Fiat Abarth 124 Gr. 4
4. Holger Bohne/Franz Moormann - Opel Ascona Gr. 2
5. Achim Warmbold/John Davenport - Renault Alpine Gr. 4
6. Roger Ericson/Bruno Berglund (Sweden) Volvo 142 Gr. 2
7. Hans-J. P. Herrmann/Konrad Schmidt Opel Ascona 19 Gr. 2
8. Jan Glad/Per Nedergaard (Denmark) Opel Ascona 19 Gr. 2
9. Rolf Petersen/Hans-Jürgen Wachholz Porsche 911 SC Gr. 3
10. Jörgen Hansen/Keld Christiansen (denmark) Opel Ascona 16 Gr
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Altenheimer won the 1975 DE Rallyemeister title in a 2.7L car (1973 RS body looking car - Black / LM X 911) .

He ran group 3 this year (1975).

In 1976 at Monte Carlo (car #48/ finished 59th) . He ran this same black car , most likely in group 3.

Later in the year (the only other pics I have seen of him in 1976 , are from june at the Rally of Bulgaria / "Rally Zlatni Piassatzi") , his car by then was a Yellow Porsche G body RS 3.0 flair "look" (we do not know what it was under the skin).

It is VERY possible that the Yellow car is the Black car with updated bodywork (and possibly mechanical's also ?). We do not know.

A clue - look at RobertS's Photo from 1976 Zlatni . There is a engine displacement badge on the grill . Not only does it look like 2.7 to me . I believe porsche only made grill engine displacement badges up to 2.7 liter.

I know RS 3.0's , do not come with a engine displacement grill badge.

So the question is , is this another chassis , or the same 1975 (and earlier) season chassis ?

I'm guessing it is the Black car underneeth . The only strange thing is the Licence number change ( Black car - LM X 911 , Yellow - LM M 911) ?

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As far as the 1980 Tour d"europe # 3 car pic. It could very well be Altenheimer , just as likely as anyone else (and by recieving a #3 , we know it is someone well rated . Like a past winner - say like altenheimer.

Altenheimer has got TWO different PORSCHEs.

You know that in Germany it is impossible to change license-plates on a car that doesn’t change the owner.

Altenheimer drove in the "Rally Zlatni Piassatzi" (Rally of Bulgaria) following cars:
1974 year - black/yellow with plate "LM-X 911"
1975 year - black/yellow with plate "LM-X 911"
1976 year - yellow with plate "LM-M 911"
1977 year - yellow with plate "LM-M 911"
1978 year - yellow with plate "LM-M 911"

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The Porsche with plate "LM-X 911" (I don't know if this car was the same that Altenheimer drove 1974-1976) was driven by W. Rohrl at 1981 Piancavallo & Manx Rallies. The Porsche was white with Blue collor with main sponsor DODUCO.

[911carreraRSR]

Altenheimer drove in the 1979 "Rally Zlatni Piassatzi" (Rally of Bulgaria) following car:
1979 year - White with plate "LM-M 911"

[911carreraRSR]

........ look at RobertS's Photo from 1977 Zlatni . There is a engine displacement badge on the grill . Not only does it look like 2.7 to me . I believe porsche only made grill engine displacement badges up to 2.7 liter.

Robert, can you make a close shoot on te engine displacement badge?

911carreraRSR,

Do you have a photo of Rohrl in LM X 911 at 1981 Piancavallo or Manx Rallies ? (if so, please post).

I believe I remember seeing a photo of Rohrl at a british rally in 1981 in a white porsche (RS 3.0 look). But I did not save it . And I do not remember seeing a licence plaque

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911carreraRSR:
"The Porsche with plate "LM-X 911" (I don't know if this car was the same that Altenheimer drove 1974-1976) was driven by W. Rohrl at 1981 Piancavallo & Manx Rallies. The Porsche was white with Blue collor with main sponsor DODUCO."
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If you have a photo of Altenheimer at 1979 Zlatni , I would be interested in seeing that also.

Do you know for FACT that Altenheimer had 2 porsche's ? As another clue that makes me feel the black car & the yellow car are probably the same chassis. Is that in RobertS "1976" (you made a typo) Zlatni photo. See the whip antenna with large base on rear of roof ?

On Black car (LM X 911) at 1976 Rallye de Monte Carlo . The EXACT same antenna is on the car - in the exact same spot !