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    Quote Originally Posted by domaza
    In an interview this week Seb told that he is the onlyone out of 4 guys, who is saying that smt. has to be changed with car - so it is 1 again 3, what means no changes. Sad, but true.
    I think this is the story.

    Le Seb is not my favorite at Toro Rosso. Look at my sig! I prefer Vettel over Bourdais simply because the young German had more experience in a F1 car. Now Berger personally mentors this kid and is trying to raise a superstar. If anyone was in denial about my previous post, then watch this video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
    I think this is the story.

    Le Seb is not my favorite at Toro Rosso. Look at my sig! I prefer Vettel over Bourdais simply because the young German had more experience in a F1 car. Now Berger personally mentors this kid and is trying to raise a superstar. If anyone was in denial about my previous post, then watch this video.
    So why is Berger giving him up to the primary team? Is Gerhard moving up too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bblocker68
    So why is Berger giving him up to the primary team? Is Gerhard moving up too?
    $$$$$$

    That would probably be his primary motivator. Also, I'm sure Red Bull dropped a little threat in the contract just in case Berger had any hiccups (i.e. no Vettel = no STR3).
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    At NHL in Champcar, Seb B was the big dog. The car was tuned to his needs.

    At STR, he's "officially" the "Equal Dog". But IMO any F1 team will favour the younger guy over the older one.

    As well as that, I am suspicious of any team management that burns through (or will burn through) 2 sets of drivers in as many years. Especially when they hold the drivers (except Saint Vettel) solely responsible for the "teams" performance. Alot of the post race comments from STR suggest they assume they are immune from problems, but the drivers have all the problems.

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    He was better, relative to Vettel, at the start of the year. Maybe he'll give him another run for his money, maybe not. He's certainly not bad, but it certainly gives you a scope on the depth of talent of AOWR road course drivers vs the depth of talent in F1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
    He was better, relative to Vettel, at the start of the year. Maybe he'll give him another run for his money, maybe not. He's certainly not bad, but it certainly gives you a scope on the depth of talent of AOWR road course drivers vs the depth of talent in F1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimispeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
    He was better, relative to Vettel, at the start of the year. Maybe he'll give him another run for his money, maybe not. He's certainly not bad, but it certainly gives you a scope on the depth of talent of AOWR road course drivers vs the depth of talent in F1.
    You said AOWR.

    Seabass only raced in CCWS and not IRL.

    IRL arguably had better depth in talent. F1 writer and commentator Peter Windsor has said Scott Dixon, TK, Franchitti and Castroneves would be good F1 drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
    No! Bourdais is an excellent driver without a hope in hell at Toro Rosso. The new STR chassis has not been compliant with Bourdais' style of driving, which I believe is due to Berger's favoritism for Vettel.
    I think it is rather due the fact that STR are not developing their own chassis, they use the one designed by Red Bull Technology (aka RB4). The team as a whole doesn't have a big say in the development directions, I suppose and Séb is trapped in that situation.
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    He raced in IRL at Indy once.............

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