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Thread: Is Sebastien Bourdais that bad?
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16th August 2008, 08:42 #61Originally Posted by bravefish
He was subbing for the injured Alesi.
But don't let failure to read a post or actual facts ruin your argument.
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16th August 2008, 08:47 #62Originally Posted by bravefish
When they are bad to below-average, and Renault's post-2006 results have been (with 2 lucky exceptions) just that, it's a fecking nightmare.
Had, for example, Renault replaced the then Mclaren-bound Alonso with Bourdais, there would have been an initial buzz in the French media which would have then turned to lambasting either Renault or Bourdais for failure.
One good headline doesn't do any good if the other 20+ are full of vilification.
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17th August 2008, 00:22 #63
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Originally Posted by CCWS77
The idea that he should adapt to the car is not "crazy". What would you suggest for endurance racing teams and their setups?
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17th August 2008, 11:07 #64
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Originally Posted by tamburello
Excellent stuff - cheers for the laugh - I could have written your post for you.Go the ALL BLACKS !
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18th August 2008, 12:50 #65Originally Posted by bravefish
But, just for the fun of it, please explain why, if Bourdais at Renault would be such a hot media ticket, did Renault not offer him the world to get him into the car back when he was in F3000?
After all, if it was such media dynamite, it is very unlikely the Renault boardroom would have let Flavio Briatore offer him what was, to Bourdais, a poor contract. They'd surely have been offering all sorts for that kind of media gold.
If your theory holds water....what made them let him go?
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19th August 2008, 11:12 #66
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Originally Posted by tamburello
If he was so worthless, why was Flavio so insistent on signing him for a career-long management contract? Pulling a bait-and-switch when he showed up for the test, not allowing him in the car unless he signed? Why pull such a stunt on a mediocre driver with no promise?
Clearly, his F3000 performance merited an invitation to test from Renault. Someone was interested in him. Then, when he refused to sign, Flavio slandered him (along with *all* French drivers, including Montagny by inference). Why would he do *that*? What suddenly changed other than refusing to give Flavio a huge cut of his career earnings? Nothing. The slander was to take the eyes off himself for his corrupt conflicted interest in running the team. That simple.
(As a side note, Montagny is now an AGR driver in ALMS and may soon have an Indy Car test.)
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19th August 2008, 13:20 #67
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Originally Posted by ZzZzZz
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19th August 2008, 15:48 #68Originally Posted by ZzZzZz
Originally Posted by ZzZzZz
The rest I agree with 100%.
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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19th August 2008, 17:01 #69Originally Posted by ZzZzZz
Renault would obviously be delighted to let a corrupt conflicted-interest individual dictate to them and let 'le enfant d'or' walk away and couldn't possibly have anything to do with the driver not being a mega talent.
How silly of me to think that a multi-national corporation and major car manufacturer wouldn't be hoodwinked like that.
Except, of course, that Renault did test Bourdais. They saw first-hand what he'd got.
If he'd have been mega, if he'd been the golden ticket to media glory, then the contract offer wouldn't have been such a poor one.
Now that is simple.
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20th August 2008, 21:40 #70
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Originally Posted by tamburelloLBGP: The Sound - The Spectacle. Racin' at its finest.
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