Hamilton will never!

[555-04Q2]

Consider how MS stats were amassed.....

Building a 'dream team' to suit his needs. Not allowing or having a competetive teammate - look what happened when Jos and Herbert matched his pace in the Benetton.

Look at the quality of the competition (lest we forget the sportmanship and comradeship) in the days of Fangio, Clark and Moss......

Senna had Piquet, Mansell & Prost to beat.....

It focuses the attention when you dig a little deeper.

I am not doubting Mike's ability, just how the stats were achieved.

Doesnt matter how the stats were amassed. Fact remains, he got them and no one else is even close

[ArrowsFA1]

Doesnt matter how the stats were amassed.

I disagree

Fact remains, he got them and no one else is even close

I agree.

mokin:

[555-04Q2]

Number of starts maybe?

Sorry, that's a silly statement on a few levels.

Let's use our beloved statistics for this one.

Fangio started 52 races.
Schumacher started 250.

Driver        Win Percentage    Pole Percentage   Fastest Lap %
Fangio             46.1               55.8             44.2
Schumacher          36.4              27.2             28.4

There, Schumacher's behind Fangio in every field.

I'll be damned if anyone says Fangio wasn't as good as Schumacher based on 'statistics'.

You're damned then :

I'm not interested in percentages (they are for accountants), but results.

The number of races also shows that MS had to be consistent for a far greater period than the great Fangio had to be. I'll give Fangio the credit that he wasn't a youngster though when he drove, which was impressive

Now back to the original topic of the thread, yes

[555-04Q2]

I disagree

I agree.

mokin:

At least we agree to disagree. Agree

[DezinerPaul]

Your inability to do anything except accept statistics at face value without ever thinking about why they happened and your frequent double standards in logic make it pretty obvious to me that it is poorly judged. I think more than a few people will agree with me here.

Well if they are standing behind you with support, there is very little for to worry about. Think it's time to give your organ grinder a nudge.

[Dave B]

Think it's time to give the organ grinder a nudge.

Mate, what you get up to in the privacy of your own bedroom is entirely your business.

[DezinerPaul]

Certainly a opinion and one which will be seen to be right, or not, as time goes on.

I'd say to some extent that Hamilton is a "victim" of the intense spotlight the media puts on people who are made to appear more as celebrities than sports people. It's something that drivers of previous eras didn't have to put up with to anything like the same extent, but it's something he will have to learn to deal with as best he can.

However, you say "that he runs off at the mouth, instead of letting his driving do the talking" but I'd disagree. He very much lets the driving do the talking when he's in the car, and has produced superb performances for one so inexperienced in F1 terms.

The media spotlight is a tough thing to handle, the great ones do and they do it from the start, some are attracted to and act like fools, Hunt was a prime example, some run away like Damon.
Hamilton is another Hunt in the making. There are a number of young guys that are on the verge of making F1, one of those maybe the next great thing, it sure is not anybody on the grid at the moment, who is showing any signs of brilliance. The "great" Alonso is living proof what a great car can do for a so so driver, Kimi is on the other hand is clearly somebody who will not live up to expectations.

[MrJan]

Mate, what you get up to in the privacy of your own bedroom is entirely your business.

It's when he starts nudging the organ grinder in the street that will cause concern.

[MrJan]

There are a number of young guys that are on the verge of making F1, one of those maybe the next great thing, it sure is not anybody on the grid at the moment, who is showing any signs of brilliance.

Must................resist...............urge..... .......to bite.......

[DezinerPaul]

Mate, what you get up to in the privacy of your own bedroom is entirely your business.

I was referring to the monkey called squirrel.