OT-Too Expensive??

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operative word being 'speculation'... not to mention the article being referrenced is now a week old.

Let us know when there is a signed agreement between the Austrailian government, FIA, and FOM/CVC to terminate the Grand Prix from 2010 onwards.

Thank you.

When the government says no more you can pretty much bet on it. This is not a new story it actually broke before this years race and Bernie just shrugged his shoulders.

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http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...806250459/1004

Another rumor bites the dust.

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http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...806250459/1004

Another rumor bites the dust.

Really? Doesn't sound like Joey is shoveling any dirt on the grave just yet.

Chitwood did not rule out the possibility of a race for next year as F-1’s schedule won’t be confirmed until the fall, but he said it gets “tougher and tougher every day” to make it happen.

Gary

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Really? Doesn't sound like Joey is shoveling any dirt on the grave just yet.





Gary

It isn't on the 2009 schedule yet and they have until the fall. No sponsor and not willing to put up $35,000,000.

That tells me Joey and TG got the shovel ready.

[Spiderman]

One does not make many.

Im sure, you've read all the driver contracts...

Really what reason? In some cases you just aren't fast enough. You know Richard Petty came from 5 laps down and won by 5 at Dover? That is being in the right place to win.

Yeah and in some reasons it's just two laps and just a penalty - but under the right circumstances you win anyway.
It's the same with the CART-product. Tehere was nothing wrong with it on the track at least untill 2001, except losing Indy...

Your point is?

That being in the right team at the right time isn't formula one specific.

Kyle Busch wins, then how can they win? Competition is tougher and NASCAR wants that.

Sure, NASCAR does want it to be a driver's championship, but nevertheless being in the right time is also important.

Who won? The best car right?

By one point and with a lot of luck and only because of team orders in brazil.
The second driver in the best car became fourth...

Because of Lauda

The drivers championship was won by Hunt because of the car and the constuctor's championship by Ferrari because of the driver.
Maybe you should learn to to concede that you are wrong.
The reason Ferrari won the CWM was not Lauda scoring more points than Hunt but Regazzoni scoring more than Mass...

How is that? Driver must carry the day. Team once the race is on does only the chinese fire drill.

Perhaps the fact, english not being my native language is not helping to understand your sometimes...

That is why Minardi is gone.

Because of the Todt/Massa relationship?

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Im sure, you've read all the driver contracts...[/quoute]

Then name one on the Cup series that bought his way in.

Yeah and in some reasons it's just two laps and just a penalty - but under the right circumstances you win anyway.
It's the same with the CART-product. Tehere was nothing wrong with it on the track at least untill 2001, except losing Indy...

What was right about it? Most fans, real fans got tired of it by 1989.

That being in the right team at the right time isn't formula one specific.

History proves otherwise except for Fangio

Sure, NASCAR does want it to be a driver's championship, but nevertheless being in the right time is also important.

In 38 races fortunes change in half of that they tend to remain the same.

By one point and with a lot of luck and only because of team orders in brazil.
The second driver in the best car became fourth...

Ok, whatever.

The drivers championship was won by Hunt because of the car and the constuctor's championship by Ferrari because of the driver.
Maybe you should learn to to concede that you are wrong.
The reason Ferrari won the CWM was not Lauda scoring more points than Hunt but Regazzoni scoring more than Mass...

This thread is about the expense of an F-1 race that may not happen. Clay beating Jochen is important how?

Perhaps the fact, english not being my native language is not helping to understand your sometimes...

Pit stops.

Because of the Todt/Massa relationship?

Because Bernie bailed them out?

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Then name one on the Cup series that bought his way in.

I didn't read the contracts. But hte other way around: The name in f1 that bought his way in?

What was right about it? Most fans, real fans got tired of it by 1989.

Why? Because a brazilian won the Indy500 and the championhsip?

I know a lot of fans who got excited later. Perhaps the crowd changed and became more international...

History proves otherwise except for Fangio

Who knows if the teams that won championships would have done this with other drivers. Would Benetton had won without Schumacher, Renault without Alonso? I doubt. Or long time ago, Brabham without Piquet (twice), Williams in 82 without Rosberg, Tyrrell without Stewart? Who knows...

In 38 races fortunes change in half of that they tend to remain the same.

That doesn't change the fact that you need the right team and car anyway.

This thread is about the expense of an F-1 race that may not happen. Clay beating Jochen is important how?

That a McLaren not automatically was faster than a Ferrari....

Pit stops.

Thanks... I will write "chinese drill" into my dictionary...

Because Bernie bailed them out?

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Lack of sponsors, less money...

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I didn't read the contracts. But hte other way around: The name in f1 that bought his way in?

Mark Webber, Justin Wilson

Why? Because a brazilian won the Indy500 and the championhsip?

Nope, lousy racing. If both Al and Emmo crashed, the race would still be going.

I know a lot of fans who got excited later. Perhaps the crowd changed and became more international...

Nope, no connection to the then 900 tracks that ran weekly shows.

Who knows if the teams that won championships would have done this with other drivers. Would Benetton had won without Schumacher, Renault without Alonso? I doubt. Or long time ago, Brabham without Piquet (twice), Williams in 82 without Rosberg, Tyrrell without Stewart? Who knows...

Yes but history does know.

That doesn't change the fact that you need the right team and car anyway.

I will change my opinion when Ferrari or McLaren does not win the title.

That a McLaren not automatically was faster than a Ferrari....

Your point?

Thanks... I will write "chinese drill" into my dictionary...

You're welcome, we restict the number of men over for safety reasons.

Lack of sponsors, less money...

and Bernie not going to bail out for another year. Do you know what happens if the number of teams falls below 8?

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Mark Webber, Justin Wilson

Webber gets paid at RedBull, and Wilson is dricing IndyCars...

Nope, lousy racing. If both Al and Emmo crashed, the race would still be going.

There were a lot dnfs thus year. But even in the old times, there were big gaps from time to time...

Nope, no connection to the then 900 tracks that ran weekly shows.

They have more international fans?

Yes but history does know.

What does it know?
1950,1952,1955,1960,1961,1967,1978,1979,1984,1987, 1988,1989,1992,1996,1997*,2002,2004
That's the years when teammates finished first and second in the championship. In all other years minimum one driver findished between the world champion and his teammate in the same car. So it's hard to say, it's only the car. In this case, teammates everytime would finish first and second.
So it's 16 (17 if you count 1997) times out of 58!

I will change my opinion when Ferrari or McLaren does not win the title.

The last time it happend two years ago.

Your point?

There is no evidence for McLaren being better than the Ferrari this year.
ANd by the way: If the McLaren would have been the better car, that would work against your arguments, because Lauda in the Ferrari dominated 1976, until his accident.

You're welcome, we restict the number of men over for safety reasons.

Congraulations!

and Bernie not going to bail out for another year. Do you know what happens if the number of teams falls below 8?

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Bernie would found a team... But with the best ten teams getting a lot money from the foca there is no chance we will have less than 20 cars...

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Webber gets paid at RedBull, and Wilson is dricing IndyCars...

That is how both got to F-1.... A ride buy.

There were a lot dnfs thus year. But even in the old times, there were big gaps from time to time...

That's racing.

They have more international fans?

Nope, not enough drivers with names that can be pronounced.

What does it know?
1950,1952,1955,1960,1961,1967,1978,1979,1984,1987, 1988,1989,1992,1996,1997*,2002,2004
That's the years when teammates finished first and second in the championship. In all other years minimum one driver findished between the world champion and his teammate in the same car. So it's hard to say, it's only the car. In this case, teammates everytime would finish first and second.
So it's 16 (17 if you count 1997) times out of 58!

Yup I believe 1994 was the only year since 1908 and NASCAR not yet?

The last time it happend two years ago.

Good.

There is no evidence for McLaren being better than the Ferrari this year.
ANd by the way: If the McLaren would have been the better car, that would work against your arguments, because Lauda in the Ferrari dominated 1976, until his accident.

Look, you think that is racing. Here in this country it is contrived racing. Me, I frankly don't care, if you want to twist the history fine but it has always been a series for a few.

Congraulations!

Amazing 5 guys doing what an army of guys in 2 more seconds.

Bernie would found a team... But with the best ten teams getting a lot money from the foca there is no chance we will have less than 20 cars...

Better because otherwise the surviving teams would have to cough of another car.
After 2010, no customer cars there you go.

ALSO: THE AUSTRALIAN GP is on UNTIL 2015. An agreement was made and both Victoria and Bernie are happy. The race will not run at Night like the Europeans wanted but will start at 5:00PM local.

So we can close this thread.