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    TOCA Shoot-out

    I vaguely remember the shoot-out due to Mansell and Needell get together but I was wondering remembers what the format of the race was and if anyone has the entry list to the race?
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    - The whole grid from the qualifying results was reversed
    - After a certain number of laps, the last placed car would be blackflagged until there were 6 cars remaining for a final shoot-out
    - The safety car could be introduced at any time, whether needed or not

    There were 3 of them from 1992-94. Won by John Cleland, David Leslie and Paul Radisich.

    1993 Results
    1. David Leslie - Ecurie Ecosse Vauxhall Cavalier
    2. Paul Radisich - Team Mondeo Ford Mondeo
    3. Steve Soper - Schnitzer BMW 318i
    4. Robb Gravett - Peugeot Sport Peugeot 405
    5. Dave Coyne - Peugeot Sport Peugeot 405
    6. Tiff Needell - Ecurie Ecosse Vauxhall Cavalier
    7. Ian Ashley - Colin Davids Racing Vauxhall Cavalier
    NC Matt Neal - Team Dynamics BMW 318i........accident

    All above completed 30 laps prior to race stoppage

    NC Nigel Mansell - Team Mondeo Ford Mondeo........accident
    NC Bengt Thenander - Thenander Motorsport BMW M3........black flagged
    NC Ian Khan - Maxteds Motorsport Vauxhall Cavalier........accident
    NC Hayden Measham - Ecurie Ecosse Vauxhall Cavalier........accident
    NC David Pinkney - Pinkney Motorsport BMW 318i........accident damage
    NC Derek Warwick - Park Lane Racing Toyota Carina........accident damage
    NC Chris Rea - Team Dynamics BMW 318is........accident
    NC Klaas Zwart - Petroline BMW 318i........accident
    NC Patrick Watts - RD Motorsport Mazda Xedos 6........accident
    NC Alex Portman - Team Dynamics BMW 318is........accident
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    Thanks Iain. I had not realised that there were 3 Shootouts, I thought there was just the one in 1993. What happened in the other two races and who took part?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iain
    - The safety car could be introduced at any time, whether needed or not
    Unlike today of course...

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    Here's the 92 and 94 Results;

    Nov 1st 1992:

    1 - John Cleland - Vauxhall Cavalier GSi
    2 - Robb Gravett - Peugeot 405 Mi16
    3 - David Leslie - Vauxhall Cavalier GSi
    4 - Ian Flux - Peugeot 405 Mi16
    5 - Alex Portman - Vauxhall Cavalier GSi
    6 - Matthew Neal - BMW 318is

    Oct 16th 1994

    1 - Paul Radisich - Ford Mondeo
    2 - Jeff Allam - Vauxhall Cavalier
    3 - John Cleland - Vauxhall Cavalier
    4 - Anthony Reid - Vauxhall Cavalier
    5 - Patrick Watts - Peugeot 405 Mi16
    6 - Giampiero Simoni - Alfa Romeo 155TS

    Both these races took place at Donington.

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    They also had an end-of-season BTCC race in 1996 and 1997, both times at Donington, with the winner being awarded the RAC Tourist Trophy.

    Alain Menu won in both times

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    The 94 Toca Shoot-Out was one of the support races for the Touring Car World Cup race- the full entry was (in race result order)

    1 Paul Radisich (Team Mondeo/Ford Mondeo)
    2 Jeff Allam (Vauxhall Sport/Vauxhall Cavalier)
    3 John Cleland (Vauxhall Sport/Vauxhall Cavalier)
    4 Anthony Reid (Vauxhall Sport/Vauxhall Cavalier)
    5 Patrick Watts (Peugeot Sport/Peugeot 405Mi16)
    6 Giampiero Simoni (Alfa Corse/Alfa Romeo 155TS)

    DNF

    Steve Soper (BMW M-Team Schnitzer/BMW 318iS)-black flagged
    Eugene O'Brien (Peugeot Sport/Peugeot 405Mi16)
    James Kaye (Enny Team Maxted/Toyota Carina E)- black flagged
    Julian Westwood (Roy Kennedy Racing/Vauxhall Cavalier)- black flagged
    Robb Gravett (Team Mondeo/Ford Mondeo)- black flagged
    Tiff Needell (Old Spice Nissan Racing/Nissan Primera)- black flagged
    Gabriele Tarquini (Alfa Corse/Alfa Romeo 155TS)
    Nigel Smith (Team HMSO/Vauxhall Cavalier)
    Matt Neal (Team Mazda/Mazda 323F Lantis)- black flagged

    As in the earlier Shoot-Outs, after a certain distance, the guy running last on each lap was black flagged, and there were a few unusual car/driver combinations- Vauxhall fielding a third Cavalier for Anthony Reid, Julian Westwood (ex-F3 and F3000) in what I think was his only touring car drive in Roy Kennedy's Cavalier, Robb Gravett in one of a his appearances in a works-backed Rouse Mondeo, Matt Neal in the Mazda 323, and from memory I think James Kaye used one of the TOM'S/Castrol cars, rather than his regular Carina

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    Quote Originally Posted by racer69
    They also had an end-of-season BTCC race in 1996 and 1997, both times at Donington, with the winner being awarded the RAC Tourist Trophy.

    Alain Menu won in both times
    The 1996 Donington TT race was run as a single race of 80 laps- an hour-and-three quarters with just 14 cars starting- it wasn't a thriller, even with the safety car coming out to close up the field. around the 50 lap mark....

    Full result:

    1 Alain Menu (Williams Renault Dealer Racing/Renault Laguna)
    2 Kelvin Burt (TWR- Volvo 850 Racing/Volvo 850)
    3 John Bintcliffe (Audi Sport UK/Audi A4 Quattro)
    4 Jo Winkelhock (BMW Team Schnitzer/BMW320i)
    5 Tim Harvey (Total Team Peugeot/Peugeot 406)
    6 James Kaye (Honda Team Linder/Honda Accord)
    7 Warren Hughes (Valvoline Team Mondeo/Ford Mondeo)
    8 Eugene O'Brien (???/Honda Accord)
    9 Jan Brunstedt (Vauxhall Sport?/Vauxhall Vectra)

    DNF

    Will Hoy (Williams Renault Dealer Racing/Renault Laguna)
    John Cleland (Vauxhall Sport/Vauxhall Vectra)
    Marco Werner (Honda Team Linder/Honda Accord)
    Hamish Irvine (Mint Motorsport/Vauxhall Cavalier)
    Ian Heward (Promotor Sport/Vauxhall Cavalier)

    Several of the regular BTCC factory teams only fielded single cars (Audi, Ford Peugeot etc)

    I think Brunstedt's Vectra was run by Vauxhall Sport- he'd bought one of the team's 1996 BTCC cars to race in Sweden for 1997.

    From memory, the Eugene O'Brien Honda entry was intended as a 1997 BTCC entry which never happened- I can't remember the team involved without digging out the original race programme.


    The 1997 TT was run to a totally different format- 3 races, 2 heats and a final with the grid for the second race being lined up in reverse order of qualifying times and the third based on race 1 and 2 results- this led to the interesting spectacle of several of the quick guys (Menu, Leslie and Hoy) trying to qualify as slowly as possible in order to start race 2 on the front row, usually by standing on the brakes just before the end of the lap!

    The entry was a mixture of BTCC regulars and some interesting visitors.

    Final result

    1 Alain Menu (Williams Renault Dealer Racing/Renault Laguna)
    2 Jason Plato ((Williams Renault Dealer Racing/Renault Laguna)
    3 Rickard Rydell(Volvo S40 Racing/Volvo S40)
    4 Frank Biela (Audi Sport UK/Audi A4 Quattro)
    5 Yvan Muller (Audi Sport UK/Audi A4 2wd)
    6 Anthony Reid (Vodafone Nissan Racing/Nissan Primera)
    7 Will Hoy (Team Mondeo/Ford Mondeo)
    8 Armin Hahne (Volvo S40 Racing/Volvo S40)
    9 John Bintciffe (Audi Sport UK/Audi A4 Quattro)
    10 Kris Nissen (Abt Sportsline/Audi A4 Quattro)
    11 Matt Neal (Team Dynamics/Ford Mondeo)
    12 Christian Abt (Abt Sportsline/Audi A4 Quattro)
    13 Paula Cook (Vodafone Nissan Racing/Nissan Primera)
    14 Jonny Kane (Team Honda Sport/Honda Accord)
    15 Tim Sugden (Mint Motorsport/Vauxhall Cavalier)
    16 Kari Makinen (Team Dynamics/Nissan Primera)
    17 Jan Brunstedt (Opel Team Sweden/Opel Vectra)

    DNF
    David Leslie (Vodafone Nissan Racing/Nissan Primera)
    John Cleland (Vauxhall Sport/Vauxhall Vectra)
    Paul Radisich (Team Mondeo/Ford Mondeo)

    DNS
    Tord Linnerud (Opel Vectra GT)
    Aaron Slight (Team Honda Sport/Honda Accord)


    Muller's Audi was actually run by one of the European Audi teams (ROC I think), and was the first of the 2wd cars Audi would race in 1997.

    Peugeot entered, but as I recall, they didn't turn up as the cars had allegedly been delayed in shipping back from Bathurst and weren't ready in time- Vauxhall's single-car effort may have been for the same reason.

    The Makinen Primera was Matt Neal's late-season BTCC car, which Makinen had bought to race in Sweden- Matt reverted to the early-season Mondeo for the TT.

    Slight's Honda was damaged in a shunt in race 1 and couldn't be repaired in time for the other two races, and Linnerud was another heat 1 retirement

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    Quote Originally Posted by vx1054
    Here's the 92 and 94 Results;

    Nov 1st 1992:

    1 - John Cleland - Vauxhall Cavalier GSi
    2 - Robb Gravett - Peugeot 405 Mi16
    3 - David Leslie - Vauxhall Cavalier GSi
    4 - Ian Flux - Peugeot 405 Mi16
    5 - Alex Portman - Vauxhall Cavalier GSi
    6 - Matthew Neal - BMW 318is

    The '92 Shoot-Out is probably remembered by many as the race in which Kieth Odor's Primera ended up in the spectator area at the Old Hairpin after going over the fence....

    I'll dig out the full result and entry list later- from memory, the other starters were Andy Rouse and James Kaye in Toyotas, Dave Coyne in a Peugeot, Odor's Nissan, Jeff Allam in the second works Cavalier and Dennis Leech's Sierra.

    With no BMW entry, 1992 champion Tim Harvey drove the Safety Car as I recall.....!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover V8

    From memory, the Eugene O'Brien Honda entry was intended as a 1997 BTCC entry which never happened- I can't remember the team involved without digging out the original race programme.
    It was something like Yap Motorsport, run by an Asian businessman. They announced pretty big plans for 1997, then it just disappeared without a trace.

    Wasn't Aaron Slight's crash rather similar to the one he had at Donington in 2002 in the Astra, where it hit the wall at Hollywoods and the rear end was destroyed?

    Was the 1992 Toca Shootout safety car driven by Will Hoy rather than Tim Harvey? I remember Will driving it at one point in one of these events. I remember Ian Flux and Gary Ayles in Peugeots for the 1992 event as well, Flux in a Peugeot Talbot Sport machine (which I think became his 1993 RKR BTCC entry) and Ayles in a Peugeot Sport Italia entry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain
    - The whole grid from the qualifying results was reversed
    As far as I recall, there was no qualifying and the grid was merely 'decided upon' by TOCA.

    Also, Tim Harvey definitely drove the safety car in 1992. Despite the poor entry, that was one of the best touring car races I've ever seen — amazingly close, with some fierce battling, yet with an almost complete absence of contact.

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