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Thread: Boxer breathing
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12th March 2008, 19:46 #21
Lower centre of gravity is one reason why they keep the boxer engine.
I just spent half an hour searching for different engine spec, my goal was to compare a same cc and same compression ratio boxer v's straight 4 engine, but in the end, they had the same spec, same power and torque at same rpm and of course, this is something that you can tune, so it's not a very good comparsion.
I really don't have a good reason as to why would a boxer outperform a standard 4 cyl, maybe because it's better balanced, is there any real proof to this? except for guessing because Atkinson drove faster and Hirvonen...
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12th March 2008, 19:52 #22
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Originally Posted by leno
Longer intakes, 2+2 with180dgr and distance from ex valve to turbo
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12th March 2008, 20:10 #23
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Some advantages
http://www.irvinesubaru.com/enthu/theboxerengine.html
Also remember that the engine is shorter than a I-4 engine and also it is fairly symetrical so the car should be better balanced. The crankshaft is also shorter too which means it can be lighter.
Disadvantage?
Have you ever seen how wide a Subaru engine is in the car and how little room there is either side of it? This means (as someone has pointed out) that you end up with a fairly short stroke engine which has it's disadvantagesRule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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12th March 2008, 21:33 #24
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Another big dissadvantage is that the engine is longitudinal and must be infront of front axle where it makes too much polar moment of innertia.
Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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12th March 2008, 22:15 #25
One possible reason is the intake manifold. Because Subaru has a boxer engine it has to have two intake manifolds with two cylinders per manifold compared to a normal four-cylinder engines manifold. In a four-cylinder row engines manifold where the air intake is at the either side of the manifold, the cylinder nearest the intake (from turbo) get 3-5% less air compared to the average and the outmost cylinder get 5-7% more air compared to average. If there is only two cylinders per manifold the air will possible be distributed more even between the cylinders. This would also be true at lower altitudes but maybe it’s still some difference at high altitudes where the density of the air is lower.
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12th March 2008, 23:15 #26
Why noone use wa nkle engine? is it prohibited?
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13th March 2008, 05:37 #27
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Originally Posted by leno
I think there is a factor to calculate the volume of a ****el engine somewhere in the regulation.
(As a turbo engine of 2 litre is calculated as 3,4 (2,0 * 1,7= 3,4)
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13th March 2008, 06:22 #28
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I think that Wan.kel (why is it forbidden?) engine of that power and torque would be highly unreliable. The sealing faces of the triangle cylinder would be too stressed. The same about the central gear.
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13th March 2008, 07:33 #29Originally Posted by GleeWaiting subbie to come back and maybe win:D
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13th March 2008, 09:00 #30
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Originally Posted by lenoRule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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