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yes yes..I was speaking of only tire grip on "normal winter roads" versus summer and really I was comparing summer Dirtwhich actually is better than most gravel on a hard bed..
Naturally all those...

actually with "pretty good" tires its better grip.. I cannot imagine what it would be like with fresh new Nordic spec winter studs on a car..But I was in Sweden to learn a profession and I did a lot...

Coach, my good friend I lived in Sweden for may years and drove millions of miles on Swedish gravel roads and some are quite wide and very very good surface. I wasn't a rally driver then so I didn't...