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What brilliant races?
For me, it's his consistency which has got him to where he is. What he has so far achieved is beyond belief, but when I think of him, I think of his consistency rather than...

Did Ron knew? I don't remember him coming out and saying he knew all along.

To those who claim McLaren must have known about Coughlan's having the dossiers, because Coughlan said so, do they know...

To the people who argue that McLaren should be punished, because Coughlan was a member of the team - do you think drivers should be included. So when Schumacher got punished in Jerez 97, why didn't...

In this case, it's one man's version against another. Coughlan swears other people knew about it - Ron Dennis says no one but Coughlan knew about it. What makes you think Coughlan, the cheat is more...

lol never heard of that. where is this serial number?

and I agree about the fact Ferrari shouldn't be punished for Stepney's action, however Flat Tyre is right, some of the stuff Todt is coming...

Your in the belief that McLaren should be punished on an 'assumption' then I take it?

Do you? :confused:

I think it varies in each circumstance. In cycling, the example you used backs up your arguement very well.

However, we can look at other cases which work in favour of the FIA ruling, for example...

Can I ask what Benetton's explanation was for having a banned system on their car? And the fuel rig problems too?

Cheers :)

Very true, but you can't punish a team on an assumption they used the document, or were even aware one of their employee had it until July.

And no one has been able to explain why Mike Coughlan...

So you think Coughlan shouldn't be treated as part of McLaren?

If that's the case, then surely they should be punished. Coughlan is part of McLaren - unless he had the document and didn't read it :confused:

Umm...a kid might not understand, but these are fully grown adults we are talking about. And if punishing them is to teach them what they did was wrong, then it really doesn't apply in this...

Nicely said! :)

You can't punish McLaren severely like some of you want on an 'assumption' Coughlan showed the document to everyone.
He says he has, but he's not exactly the most trustworthy...

I'm not a Ferrari fan as I don't like the way they go about their business, but the departure of Michael Schumacher has lessened my feelings. As for Ferrari fans, I would be disappointed if they...

Spot on Valve :)

Mine either. But Ferrari claim McLaren must have seen the dossier before they claim, as they knew about Ferrari's illegal floors.

As I say, I'd hardly call Ferrari the 'victims' in all this.
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What punishment would you have given them?
Should they be punished if they weren't even aware that an individual broke the rules?

What word do you want?
You want to punish a team on an 'assumption' do you? Or on Ferrari, the biggest cheaters in F1!!?

Come on mate, have a think before you post

This may be a silly comparison. But if a family member went and stole £1m and gave you half, and you knew it was stolen, you'd get punished and rightly so. If they stole £1m, and didn't give you any...

From what I understand, only Coughlan had the document, and from what I gather, the FIA have inspected the Mclaren 2007 car, and there is no evidence that suggests they have used that information on...

Ferrari got caught cheating, and are moaning that they got caught cheating, through the team finding out by cheating.

I'd hardly call 'Ferrari' or 'Stepney' the victims. As you say, think about...

I think they know more about it than you.
The fact Coughlan's wife went to a public library to photocopy it shows McLaren weren't aware he had it. If they were, and they were ok about it, he would...

Spot on



Not really. Schumacher's punishment was lame to say the least. Getting removed from 2nd place in the championship, after the championship is over is nothing - especially as he got to...

What exactly have McLaren 'got away with'? One member of staff had a document belonging to another's team, the McLaren operation weren't aware of this, they didn't benefit from it, and it wasn't...